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you really think that im going to go out of my way to find the thread, and provide a link for you, just so you could read the same arguements that convinced me that vodo was better?
Vodo: Most revered Jedi master in a martial time period, greater use of the force shown during said time period. Taller than Yoda, has a reach advantage, and may have an exoskeleton which would give him a tremendous strength advantage. Lost to Exar Kun, but managed to manifest himself four thousand years later to help banish Kun's half-mad, weakened spirit.
Yoda: Most revered Jedi master in a peaceful time period, Niman widely practiced. Stalemated ROTS Sidious, lost due to terrain.
To exaggerate, Vodo was the top dog of a group of badasses, and Yoda was top of a group of incompetants.
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To exaggerate you still have no idea on who is more powerful, how Vodo would have done against Sidious or how Yoda would have done against Exar.
Vodo died when Exar started becoming serious, so how would he compare to Sidious? And Yoda may have been the best in an era of people who did not fight a lot, but some of his time were still good Dooku, Mace, Sidious. Greater use of force powers for Vodo? What did he do except for making his stick able to resist a lightsaber? Yoda shot back Force Lightning at the one that shot it and defied a Sith Lord in every way through the force...
I don't see how you can be so certain about Vodo, with so little evidence supporting him.
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That's exactly what I was thinking Fishy. To consider Vodo more powerful than Yoda is just foolish, or even bordering Fanboyism. Yoda was the absolute best of his era, And Vodo was the best of his... Well second best.. In no way have you made an argument of why Vodo would best Yoda.. Perhaps it's time to make another thread
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1. You can't judge them by what era and how powerful the Jedi were in that time.
2. What does Vodo's reach advantage have to do with it? Yoda's lightsaber skills are built to make up for this disadvantage.
3. What is the closest lightsaber form to Vodo's "stick" combat form?
My final opinion is that Exar Kun and Yoda are near-equal in their skill with lightsaber combat, but Exar Kun's dark side abilities win this for him, since Yoda isn't prepared to counter/defend himself from ancient dark side techniques.
Actually, I'm damn certain Yoda would have gotten curbstomped in Vodo's place. And Vodo would have probably beaten ROTS Sidious since he isn't two feet tall and fifty pounds, and ergo wouldn't have been blasted off the pod.
Vodo died when Exar got serious, yes. Are you going to say ROTS Sidious was toying with Yoda, or that he's in any way comparable to Exar Kun?
Yes, some of Yoda's time were good, for their time, but as we've seen from comparing them to the Jedi of TOTJ, a hell of a lot of knowledge was lost and forgotten. Battle meditation, anyone? How about blocking someone from the force, which Vodo and Nomi did to Ulic? Arca's little trick of taking droids apart by the joints? All those techniques and more from TOTJ would have been quite useful in the PT, but they apparently weren't known because they weren't used.
Yoda can shoot back Force lightning, yes. And Vodo can't? Absence of proof is not proof of absence, Exar Kun is not shown to ever use such a weak, standard attack as lightning.
I don't see how you can be so certain about Yoda, who was only a few hairs better than ROTS Sidious.
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Yoda really isn't that good a duellist, he's really hard to hit but he just doesn't seem to really take the fight in any of the fights he is in. With Dooku he jumps around a lot and then Dooku runs, sure Yoda might be doing what he does best and he might be weakening Dooku, but its going to take him forever if he fights like that. The same goes for Sidious, he is probably superior but with how long it takes him to strike for real, well it just seems that he wants to tire out his opponent and then strike when the guy his back is turned.
Thats not going to work against Kun. Who is superior to Yoda with a lightsaber, seeing as he's actually able to quickly kill people with it.
And of course ROTS Sidious wasn't toying with Yoda, but what does that have to do with anything?
the fight between Vodo and Exar says nothing on Vodo his skills seeing as he died when Exar became serious. So you can't judge him on that fight.
and absence of proof is not proof of absence so perhaps Yoda did know all those things he didn't fight a lot now did he. Battle Meditation was still known to Sidious and others apparantly, if the Sith knew it, it stands to reason the Jedi knew it as well. Considering the fact that the Sith most likely remembered it from the last war and they were facing Jedi in that war.
But still who cares, there is nothing to really make Vodo more powerful then Yoda or vice versa, if anything there is more evidence supporting Yoda because we know more about him and yet still you claim that Vodo > Yoda. Why?
You're the one that brought up how Vodo was beaten easily when Exar, a far greater Sith than ROTS Sidious, stopped toying with him. I submitted that Yoda would have been tooled as well.
What point were you trying to make in bringing that up?
Actually, we can judge his skills very well. He confronted Exar, the Dark Lord of the Sith, armed with a stick. He must have had great confidence in his combat skills, which the narrator describes in his first fight with Exar as a padawan as honed through "long experience."
He was the most respected Jedi of a martial time period, a time period when Jedi commonly wore battle armor and comprised a good deal of Republic military forces. A time period where Jedi display greater use of the Force than what is displayed in the PT.
The PT cannot compare.
So if he knew all those things then he's an idiot and didn't use them, hm? So he'd prefer to go into exile and let the galaxy suffer under twenty some-odd years of oppression rather than use some of these OJO Force powers that would've knocked Sidious flat on his ass?
Good job, Yoda.
Bullshit. Yes, Sidious knew battle meditation. Sidious also knew that he was a Sith. Did the Jedi know that too? What a stupid theory you've come up with - that the Sith and Jedi know all the same things.
And their last war was 1000 years ago, even before Yoda was born. After the war, the Jedi believed the Sith to be extinct. So where's the proof, Fishy?
Have you read my posts? I recommend you go over them again.
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