Out of practise? Do we know that? We know he's still a Soresu master. We know he can incorporate Ataru in his technique and we know he fought Sand People in some way, shape, or form.
Not to mention he moved pretty fast pwning those two guys in the cantina.
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Vader blocks any lightning, or force attack while Obi Wan enters saber combat and uses his soresu mastery to block everything Dooku throws at him. During this, Vader attacks with the force. Vader could enter saber combat while Obi Wan uses force attack also. Either way, Dooku gets beat down.
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1. Prove to me that Vader can block Dooku's lightning.
2. Prove to me that Vader can counter Dooku's force telekinesis. (And keep in mind that Dooku pissed all over ROTS Obi-Wan in the force, who later went on to stalemate Anakin Skywalker. So, since Vader is weaker in the Force, there really is no way why he would become stronger than Dooku or able to resist him)
3. Obi-Wan couldn't overcome Vader using Soresu, and it certainly didn't work better for him when he was younger.
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^ Here's Obi-wan and Anakin after years of teamwork. Also, keep in mind that Anakin has his full force potential (Meaning he's not maimed), and neither of them is out of saber practice (as opposed to twenty years later). I don't see them overcoming him, do you?
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Oops! There goes the dream team in their prime.
4. Show me how Vader and/or Obi-Wan can "attack with the force" in a way that would defeat Count Dooku, considering that he WTFpunk'd them both rather easily in their prime, that jedi masters don't really have offensive force powers, and that Vader is actually weaker than he used to be.
Really now... So Vader who is weaker than his former self in force power and slower along with his out of shape jedi master who has no offensive force powers and apparently got even worse because he couldn't beat Vader in ANH.... are going to defeat Count Dooku who is at the top of his game? Considering that they haven't fought together in two decades, that they've both gotten older, slower, and both have potentially lost ability due to non use?
It doesn't matter. Vader and Kenobi had been decreased in saber power. Dooku has also shown fairly great Force ability. Ben Kenobi had most likely not used his saber for a while. He'd have no reason to train with it, since it wouldn't help. He may have gotten stronger in the Force, yes, but if it hasn't been practiced, the increase in Force wouldn't do much. Dooku obliterates them.
You are grossly underestimating the Counts ability here. How on earth would Obi-Wan block every attack that Dooku threw at him? Remember Dooku wtf pwned him twice when he was younger, at the top of his game, and had a strong padawan to back him up. Obi-Wan will be out of this duel quicker than he got pwned in ROTS. As for Vader. He MIGHT be able to block Dookus force attacks but when it comes to dueling he is out of his class. Dookus attacks are quick and precise where as Vaders are fairly slow and predictable. The duo are going to get wtf pwned again by the great Count Dooku!!
Dooku probably wins. He'll use the Force to take Obi-Wan out, just like in ROTS. Then it's Vader vs. Dooku, and I doubt Vader's strong enough to take out Dooku like Anakin did.
Fanboy alert! Seriosuly, Dooku's have shown saber skills that are close to Yoda's. Same with his Force skills. To say Vader has a greater DS mastery or Obi has a greater Force mastery is ridiculous. The one thing Vader has over Dooku is he has killed a lot of Jedi. So he has alot of experience. I don't think Kenobi has anything over Dooku, unless you count the fact that he know how to become a ghost.
Well, it's not really that hard. Just hold up the saber, wha-la.
But agree with the rest of your post, for a change.
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Really? Vader has 23 years of Sith training... which is much more than Dooku's 13. Dooku does have a greater knowledge of the force, but as far as the Dark Side is concerned, I'm sure Vader knows more.
Dooku has proved himself to be more powerful in the Force than Ben. If you can prove that Ben had greatly improved in the Force during his exiled time, I might give them a chance with the Force. Until then, Dooku rips apart Kenobi and then proceeds to rip apart Vader. He could take them when they were at their best in strength and teamwork, so he could take them now.
Logic? Not sure about that, but I hope Lucas didn't intend the main badass villain in his best works to be far weaker than the whiny baby we see in the Prequel "movies".
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