How is Kylo any less trained than the others? Like at all?
How is Kylo any less whiny prepubescent Skywalker angst than the last two we've seen?
How is Kylo's personal mission not to be as Vader-esque as possible?
It was worth your time to deny, so it should definitely be worth your time to explain your reasoning. And not just, "Kylo's not "comfortably a Sith Lord."
We don't know when Kylo betrayed the Jedi Order. According to Pablo, that scene with the KoR is not them attacking the Jedi Temple. So who knows how much Jedi training Kylo truly has. Heck, Luke may have been deliberately training Kylo slowly because of his inner darkness. And it's similar with Snoke, who knows how much he has trained Kylo.
What we do know is that Kylo is poorly trained, based on interviews and what we see in the film.
Last edited by ares834 on Apr 10th, 2016 at 07:20 PM
Ugh, how about instead you explain to me how Kylo is as well trained as Dooku, Vader or Maul first since you made the claim.
Then explain where Dooku, Vader or Maul have demonstrated "whiny prepubescent Skywalker angst" (FYI, Anakin =/= Vader)
Then conclude your enlightening response with reasoning for why "shit that happened in your life" and a shared pursuit of power makes you remotely identical in actual character (hint: it doesn't).
And then, really, as an addendum, explain to me why Kylo is lame when he's apparently just like Vader, Dooku and Maul, those super cool villains!
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Last edited by Beniboybling on Apr 10th, 2016 at 07:22 PM
I assume well enough since Kylo's betrayal of the Jedi is also recent, and Kylo's in his 30s, give or take, at the moment.
What we know is that his training is "incomplete," as far as I've seen. He's also said to have saber skills that apparently are responsible for stopping the Jedi from reforming, so I doubt he's that poorly trained.
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I didn't mean that Dooku, Vader, and Maul are all whiney. Kylo, however, from the snippets we've seen of him, is your run of the mill, "I need power, so I'm going to get power, snark, snark." that we've seen time and time again in Star Wars. With the added benefit of crying occasionally in typical angsty Skywalker fashion. And I'm pretty sure Vader is Anakin. The semantics game is dumb.
You serious? You act like an old man following around a prodigal young boy who kills off an order, but still has doubt about his family, and is always in eternal anguish is like the most common backstory ever. It's not. Kylo was obviously meant to be Vaderesque.
Edit's not working, but finally, Kylo's lame because he falls flat in all accounts. Not that I ever thought Maul or Dooku were the most amazing and cool villains ever.
From the fact that it's a lot more recent than Rey being dropped on Jakuu. Some interview somewhere. Kylo was around 15 then. His betrayal has to be somewhere into his mid-late 20s.
Where was it said he can't build a proper lightsaber? The crystal is broken in it, is about as much as I've see. Building a lightsaber is something younglings can do. It's something Luke did with about a year under his belt with actual training. I doubt Kylo can't.
How does being trained "well enough" (an assumption in itself) by a fledging Jedi Order, being better than as you would likely put it a bunch of featless mooks and... well that's it, make his training on level with Maul, Dooku or Vader's?
And this time actually think, hard, about the level of training those three have received, from whom, and in what contexts, because I can't be assed to spell it out.Yeah, that's called the dark side. No, Vader and Anakin are, yes, technically the same person, but they are too very different characters and personas, as it made explicit in the movies.
And the only one playing the semantics game here is you my friend, seeing as we are discussing the portrayal of Star Wars villains on screen.The only "traits" Vader and Kylo share (though originally you had Dooku and Maul on that list as well, nice goalpost change there) is that they are conflicted villains, which yes is quite common indeed.
On the other hand Kylo is quite different from Vader in the respect, as you pointed out, he is remains the angsty emotional teen. Vader is frankly stoic in comparison.
Luke's pretty up there as far as teacher's go. He is supposed to be "the greatest warrior in the galaxy," after all.
Again, Luke's pretty up there. Trained by Yoda himself. Luke is the one training Ben for the vast majority of his life. While in Legends this would be less impressive, at first, I've seen nothing to indicate this in Canon.
Please. Vader still has the same faults as Anakin, including overwhelming arrogance, it's why he does things like fight Karbin in sabers instead of crumpling him into a ball.
No, like I said, that was weak wording on my part. I see pretty much every Star Wars villain as the same handwringing overly ambitious idiot, and I'm wondering how exactly you think Kylo is any different from what you've seen of him.
Vader's a crab; you know this. Kylo became angsty when he took off the mask. Kind of why masks are used in storytelling. To hide the person underneath and all.
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Apr 10th, 2016 07:07 PM
No, Vader and Anakin are, yes, technically the same person, but they are too very different characters and personas, as it made explicit in the movies. 
