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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Dark... I'm not going into a quotefest again over this....

I would agree to a mid-level bitween the books and the games though... I don't mind that, but to immediately pick the very highest end showing and stick with it is bad form.
It's no different than balancing the showings with all forms of SF media. You don't just use the top of top showings, because they'd be like gods.


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It's no different than balancing the showings with all forms of SF media. You don't just use the top of top showings, because they'd be like gods.
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I don't think it's up to you to judge whether sticking with a concept found in a perfectly legitimate book is 'bad form' or not.

As long as it is included in the book, I'll use it. Simply because it was not displayed in the games doesn't mean that it shouldn't be taken as seriously.


Thats exactly why it shouldn't be used...

Not all games get other media coverage, so we simply use literacy or movies orother media to trounce them despite the fact that this forum wasintended to debate video game characters as they are rather than relying on outside media?


It's no different that going non-canon in a very literal sense.


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Thats exactly why it shouldn't be used...

This is an objective matter, Darkstorm.

‘Should’ be or ‘shouldn’t’ be isn’t objective, it’s opinionated. Whatever your opinion is, it is moot; Bungie approved and babysat everything having to do with not only the games, but the books too and the movie as well.

If they endorse it in that manner, it is legitimate and can be used. No denying that.
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Not all games get other media coverage

Precisely, because they don’t choose to.

They either are successful enough or lazy or not zealous of their creations or something.
Whatever their reasoning is, they don’t provide outside media such as books or movies because everything is already explained in the games. Background is there, character originality, the whole package.

On the other hand, the Halo universe, as well explained as it is, doesn’t have enough background to be able to merit a specific universe. It leads to generalization. Where’d the Chief come from? His armor? His abilities? The Covenant? The games don’t answer that. The books do, and Bungie published them with that as a reason.
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so we simply use literacy or movies orother media to trounce them

No we don’t, Darkstorm. You don’t seem to be getting it.

The books don’t ‘trounce’ the games. They explain some background info, abilities, other adventures and etc. They’re supposed to make the games more clear, if anything.

The games spawned the books. Not the other way around.
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despite the fact that this forum wasintended to debate video game characters as they are rather than relying on outside media?
You have it wrong, Darkstorm.

This forum was intended to debate video game characters as they are, in games and whatever other sources of media they happen to appear in as well. Chief originated in a video game, that’s all he needed to participate in a debate here.

Nowhere does it say that you can only use in-game abilities in a debate. Negating literature and film here is downright silly. Try not to be so narrow-minded.


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Originally posted by DarkC
This is an objective matter, Darkstorm.

‘Should’ be or ‘shouldn’t’ be isn’t objective, it’s opinionated. Whatever your opinion is, it is moot; Bungie approved and babysat everything having to do with not only the games, but the books too and the movie as well.

If they endorse it in that manner, it is legitimate and can be used. No denying that.

Precisely, because they don’t choose to.

They either are successful enough or lazy or not zealous of their creations or something.
Whatever their reasoning is, they don’t provide outside media such as books or movies because everything is already explained in the games. Background is there, character originality, the whole package.

On the other hand, the Halo universe, as well explained as it is, doesn’t have enough background to be able to merit a specific universe. It leads to generalization. Where’d the Chief come from? His armor? His abilities? The Covenant? The games don’t answer that. The books do, and Bungie published them with that as a reason.

No we don’t, Darkstorm. You don’t seem to be getting it.

The books don’t ‘trounce’ the games. They explain some background info, abilities, other adventures and etc. They’re supposed to make the games more clear, if anything.

The games spawned the books. Not the other way around.

You have it wrong, Darkstorm.

This forum was intended to debate video game characters as they are, in games and whatever other sources of media they happen to appear in as well. Chief originated in a video game, that’s all he needed to participate in a debate here.

Nowhere does it say that you can only use in-game abilities in a debate. Negating literature and film here is downright silly. Try not to be so narrow-minded.
You explained that very well.


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He made some good points. They should be as they are, but only canonically so.


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He made some good points. They should be as they are, but only canonically so.


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Looking back on this... I can see I was being hotheaded... and more likely wrong than right...

My apollogies DarkC, in hindsight, I guess I lost my cool


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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Looking back on this... I can see I was being hotheaded... and more likely wrong than right...

My apollogies DarkC, in hindsight, I guess I lost my cool

It's all good.


No worries, I've had worse hotheads. At least you have the sense to come back and reflect on it.


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