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quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
But at the same time, some Christians reject the existance of Hell.
Jews for Jesus?
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Aug 30th, 2007 04:23 PM
LatinoStallion
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Devil King
Jews for Jesus?
Not even. Some straight up Christians, such as some Jehovah's witnesses and even Evangelicals, reject the idea of Hell.
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Aug 30th, 2007 06:24 PM
Adam_PoE
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Alliance
I see your point, but people don't convert to these specific cults of Christianity to remain faithless. their faith may be shallow, but they remain religious.
How is a fair-weather Christian different than a fair-weather Buddhist:
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Alliance
Budddhism is the only religion that I'm aware of where people can "convert" and remain areligious.
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Aug 30th, 2007 06:29 PM
LatinoStallion
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How is a fair-weather Christian different than a fair-weather Buddhist:
Because I happen to be Buddhist
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Aug 30th, 2007 06:31 PM
Ordo
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
You don't have to become a monk to be Buddhist, and being a monk is not the fulfillment of Buddhism.
I never said any of those things. TRY AGAIN!
quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Buddhism is meant to integrate to anyone's lifestyle, can be applied so.
No, thats your perversion.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
We had a similiar argument about Islam. You claimed that one can be Muslim without practicing everything the Quran teaches. Yet, Islam is about submission. Islam does not allow for one to question or challenge the Quran in any way, shape, or form.
You fail to see the difference between ritual and faith.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Read the Above. There is something you are NOT understanding.
Just why you wont stop bleeting your failed policies.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
You have no idea what you are talking about. Please stop making this a personal issue. If you are going to ask me something, ask me something intelligent, and have some kind of support for your claims.
All of your claims are empty.
Wrong. You can't answer my questions.
You're the only one who's EVER made this personal and crying about it all over KMC.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
He seems unaware of the different sects/forms of Buddhism. There are Nicheren and Theravata for example.
Wrong again. There is Theravada, Mahayana, and Vajrayana. Nicheren is a subsect of Mahayana.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Also, each introduce new teachings. For example, Shakymunison was not made aware of the Five Aggregates in his studies, but at the same time, I wasn't aware of the Concept of the Ten Worlds until he brought it to my attention.
Some forms of Buddhism teach that Life is naturally suffering, because that is the nature of the world, while other forms of Buddhism teach that Life is Suffering because we have made it that way and allow it to persist.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Alliance, claiming that becoming a Monk is the endgoal of Buddhism, shows how much he doesn't know.
You're perhaps the biggest bullshitter on these forums. Never said anything remotely like that. You're the king of strawmen.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How is a fair-weather Christian different than a fair-weather Buddhist:
I don't understand the question.
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Aug 30th, 2007 07:03 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Not even. Some straight up Christians, such as some Jehovah's witnesses and even Evangelicals, reject the idea of Hell.
I really do understand. But is there any reason NOT to bring up Jews for Jesus, at every given opprotunity?
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Aug 30th, 2007 07:11 PM
LatinoStallion
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Devil King
I really do understand. But is there any reason NOT to bring up Jews for Jesus, at every given opprotunity?
I guess not hahhaaa
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Aug 30th, 2007 07:12 PM
Adam_PoE
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Alliance
I don't understand the question.
How is one who holds Christian beliefs but does not practice them any different than one who holds Buddhist principles but does not practice them?
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Aug 31st, 2007 01:01 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Not even. Some straight up Christians, such as some Jehovah's witnesses and even Evangelicals, reject the idea of Hell.
Well that's because they believe in annihilation.
Aug 31st, 2007 01:38 AM
Ordo
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How is one who holds Christian beliefs but does not practice them any different than one who holds Buddhist principles but does not practice them?
I don't think Christianity demands such the same type of practice as Buddhism does.
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Aug 31st, 2007 02:25 AM
Adam_PoE
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Alliance
I don't think Christianity demands such the same type of practice as Buddhism does.
Christianity demands more stringent practice; a Buddhist who does not faithfully practice the principles of Buddhism is simply a bad Buddhist, whereas a Christian who does not faithfully practice the principles of Christianity is not a true Christian.
See Who Is a Christian?
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Aug 31st, 2007 02:52 AM
LatinoStallion
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Alliance
I don't think Christianity demands such the same type of practice as Buddhism does.
It depends what sect of Christianity you belong to.
Evangelicals focus on Repentance . They beleive that once they repent, they are cleaned of all "original sin", and to push it even further, beleive that thier thoughts and actions are inspired by the Holy Spirit, since they invited God into thier life through repentance.
Catholics , in general, do not focus so much on repentence, since they beleive that Baptism has already cleansed them. They tend to focus more on actions, then on the idea that they are already saved. Yet, many are still motivated by the Fear of Hell.
I am not to sure about Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses, so I won't comment on them.
Buddhism requires a strong self-discipline. Every Buddhist is taught about the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold path. Practice and Discipline is definately an aspect of all variations of Buddhism.
However, unlike Christianity, you don't "become a better person" over night just by converting. Buddhism takes practice and dedication, consistancy. You have to remind yourself of what you are practicing through various practices and meditation.
Some Buddhists practice Nam Myo Renge Kyo, others don't. Some Buddhists beleive in No-Self, while others do beleive in a spiritual identity. Some Buddhists beleive in God, others don't. And for our earlier example, some Buddhists become monks, other's don't.
There are variations, but none must deviate from the center core of Buddhism: Respect and Compassion for All Living Things . As well as the goal of Buddhism: The Cessation of Suffering.
You cannot truly call yourself a Buddhist if you do not hold respect and compassion for all living things. You also have to understand that the cause of all suffering is Attachment/Desire.
Whether you choose to adhere to attachments and embrace desire is your choice, as long as you understand that these can and do lead to suffering.
Many Buddhists question thier Faith, and struggle with some of the teachings. There is nothing in Buddhism that forbids that. In fact, Buddhism welcomes questioning, because that is the path to understanding.
At the same time, Buddhism can work with other Faiths as well, you can still beleive in God and be Buddhist, you can still hold other customs and be Buddhist.
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What I am asking you, Alliance is what do you think qualifies one as a "real Buddhist", and who are you to make such a claim ?
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Aug 31st, 2007 02:11 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Alliance
Saudi Arabia?
And Pakistan, and Yemen, and Iran, and Mali.....
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Aug 31st, 2007 06:36 PM
Quiero Mota
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Alliance
I never said any of those things. TRY AGAIN!
No, thats your perversion.
You fail to see the difference between ritual and faith.
Just why you wont stop bleeting your failed policies.
Wrong. You can't answer my questions.
You're the only one who's EVER made this personal and crying about it all over KMC.
Wrong again. There is Theravada, Mahayana, and Vajrayana. Nicheren is a subsect of Mahayana.
You're perhaps the biggest bullshitter on these forums. Never said anything remotely like that. You're the king of strawmen.
I don't understand the question.
Some Muslims drink, some Hindus eat meat, some Jews eat shrimp, big deal.
My point: Just because some one doesn't follow every little insignificant rule, doesn't mean they're not a member of any given religion.
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Aug 31st, 2007 06:42 PM
LatinoStallion
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Some Muslims drink, some Hindus eat meat, some Jews eat shrimp, big deal.
My point: Just because some one doesn't follow every little insignificant rule, doesn't mean they're not a member of any given religion.
Okay, someone gets my point
I even recall you, yourself, correcting me on the fact that Muslims don't have to follow the violence in the Quran to be "real" Muslims, a fact that now sinks in with me.
Alliance is making this more of a personal attack than an objective argument, and I hope one day he sees how much time he is wasting with that. I hope he finds something better to do.
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Aug 31st, 2007 07:12 PM
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Where is admin?
It is important.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Christianity demands more stringent practice; a Buddhist who does not faithfully practice the principles of Buddhism is simply a bad Buddhist, whereas a Christian who does not faithfully practice the principles of Christianity is not a true Christian.
See Who Is a Christian?
I think that depends which Buddhists (and indeed which Christians) you are talking to.
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