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Originally posted by KharmaDog
Most of the countries that hate you do so because of how you try to bully others with both your economy and your military. There is a big difference between jealously and disliking a bully.


We Bully them? Yea, that's really wrong, we don't bully anyone, the Little Countries expect us to help them with problems they created, we usually do, and every problem becomes our fault. We arn't the Bullys(boohoo we invaded a Dictatorship that tortured it's people, that really makes the US Bullies) it's the Little Countries that make us do everything for them, we're basically the Police/Caretakers of the World

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You are arguing with someone who writes as if they're 13 years old. I wouldn't put too much stock into what he has to say about politics, so leave the guy alone.

And yes, it was a plane. Honestly, it simply doesn't make sense in any way, shape, or form for the US Government to hit it's own military HQ. And on top of that, you're assuming that far too many people are keeping quiet about this launch and attack on the Pentagon, the people who were on the plane that supposedly didn't hit the pentagon, and the many civilians who tracked the plane on its way to the pentagon. Saying it was a missle just doesn't make sense.


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We Bully them? Yea, that's really wrong, we don't bully anyone,


I suggest you look into the history of your country's foreign policy.

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the Little Countries expect us to help them with problems they created, we usually do, and every problem becomes our fault.


You are aware of The U.S.'s past relationships with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel are you not? These problems are currently also the U.S.'s for a reason. Study up.

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We arn't the Bullys(boohoo we invaded a Dictatorship that tortured it's people, that really makes the US Bullies)


No, you illegally invaded a country under false pretenses and bullied anyone who disagreed with your motives. That's what a bully does.

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we're basically the Police/Caretakers of the World


No, The U.S. protects it's own investments around the world. The U.N. peace keeping forces are more so the Police/Caretakers of the World.

Stick to arguing conspiracies. Current world politics and history are not your strong suit.


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Like I said, it's obvious he doesn't know, Kharma. You're not going to get anywhere in a debate with someone who doesn't understand politics or history.


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"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out."

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I suggest you look into the history of your country's foreign policy.



You are aware of The U.S.'s past relationships with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel are you not? These problems are currently also the U.S.'s for a reason. Study up.



No, you illegally invaded a country under false pretenses and bullied anyone who disagreed with your motives. That's what a bully does.



No, The U.S. protects it's own investments around the world. The U.N. peace keeping forces are more so the Police/Caretakers of the World.

Stick to arguing conspiracies. Current world politics and history are not your strong suit.


Yea, the countries we are currently fighting, and have been fighting for about 30 Years count as every little Country, hmm, Iraq who was run by a Tyrannical Madman, Afghanistan ruled by the Taliban, and Iran, who took over our Embassy, and held the workers Hostage for what? 100-something days? Not to mention their current Nuclear Program, support of Terror, and hopes to wipe us and Israel off the map

"Invading" a Country(It wasn't an Invasion, it was a Police Action to remove Saddam, we don't control the country, learn to use types of Wars) ? Wow, we went against the UN, who sold themselves out to Saddam, it's not like they do ANYTHING to keep the peace anywhere. False Pretenses? If you're one of the people hat thinks this was really about Oil, I suggest you go to a Gas Station here in the States. The man had hidden Weapons, they have been found, more turn up every once in a while. Do you honestly think it was a Bad Idea to remove Saddam Hussein? The man murdered Hundreds of Thousands of people

Yes, we only protect our own Investments, that's why we get Involved in EVERY conflict around the world, where we have no place, why did we go into Somalia? Panama? Hmm? Since when has the UN actually succeeded anywhere, at all, at keeping the Peace? The UN is nice on Paper, but their a bunch of Corrupt Morons that would sell out the World for some Oil. People need to understand these Terrorists and Dictators can't be Negotiated with.


Anyways, I'll get back on topic now

No Conspiracy, as I said earlier, the Order had to come FROM the Pentagon, why would they order themselves shot? The Individual Bases arn't given orders by the Secret Service or whoever else think ordered it

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Yea, the countries we are currently fighting, and have been fighting for about 30 Years count as every little Country, hmm, Iraq who was run by a Tyrannical Madman, Afghanistan ruled by the Taliban, and Iran, who took over our Embassy, and held the workers Hostage for what? 100-something days? Not to mention their current Nuclear Program, support of Terror, and hopes to wipe us and Israel off the map


The U.S. had relations with both Iraq and Iran during their war. You give both sides arms to kill the other and eventually they catch on.

The U.S. is actually responsible for Sadam being in power in the first place.

The U.S. trained and financed many of the Afghani's that they are currently fighting (actually,Canada is fighting them now, the U.S. is busy in Iraq and forgot all about Afghanistan). The U.S. even went to the lengths to provide schoolbooks for children that used military equipment as teaching tools to endoctrinate young afhani children into the culture of war during their war with the soviet Union.

As for Israel, that a messy convoluted relationship at best.

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"Invading" a Country(It wasn't an Invasion, it was a Police Action to remove Saddam, we don't control the country, learn to use types of Wars) ?


A police action to remove Sadam? No the original premise was that there were weapons of mass destruction hidden that he intended to use against the U.S. There was also a tie in with 9/11. Both proved to be false.


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If you're one of the people hat thinks this was really about Oil, I suggest you go to a Gas Station here in the States.


Wow, you really don't get it do you? I suggest you research Iraq's intent to switch over to the Euro when trading in oil. As for the war not being about oil. American oil companies are reaping there greatest profits EVER.

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The man had hidden Weapons, they have been found, more turn up every once in a while.


Please provide a link where Wepons of MASS Destructioin have been found. Weapons such as nuclear or chemical weapons that can cause destruction on a MASSIVE scale. Please do not report any stores of conventional weapons or the older, useless chemical weapons that were buried and disposed of.

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Do you honestly think it was a Bad Idea to remove Saddam Hussein? The man murdered Hundreds of Thousands of people


Do I think Sadam was an tyrant? Yes. Do I think reooving him has set the world on a path closer to a global conflict? Yes. By removing Sadam the U.S. further destabilized the middle East and set the table for another Islamic fundamentalist Nation to get a hate on for the West.

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Yes, we only protect our own Investments, that's why we get Involved in EVERY conflict around the world,


You are not involved in every conflict around the world. Hardly. Such an ignorant and childish comment. If the U.S. is so altruistic with it's military then why did they just sit and watch Rwanda (and so many other poor countries) implode?

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The UN is nice on Paper, but their a bunch of Corrupt Morons that would sell out the World for some Oil.


As opposed to the corrupt morons who run your country that sell out both the world and their own people for oil? Your comment is laughable.

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People need to understand these Terrorists and Dictators can't be Negotiated with.


People also need to understand that declaring war on an idea, a movement or a mentality is not only futile (i.e. the war on drugs) but a ticket to justify almost any military action that an administration would like to take.


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while I don't agree that people who hate the US are jealous of the US.........I certainly believe that many, many, many nations are.

Here in the US.......how many Thai, Korean, Icelandic, Russian, etc. movies or musical groups can you name? Not many. Yet every place loves our culture. Eminem can go to Hong Kong and get as big of a reaction as he would in Detroit. You can go to the UK and see just about any major hollywood studio film.......as opposed to the few UK films we get in the US, which are viewed as Indy art flicks. Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Ben Affleck......all recognized the world over. Who's the biggest film star in Korea again? How about the UK? chances are we've never heard of them..........and won't until they come to America and start making films.

What's the biggest brand of Russian blue jeans? How about the UKs? Why aren't we American's selling knock-offs on the street? Go to China and I'm sure you'll run into many a Levi bootlegger.

so many people worldwide are so jealous of our culture, I don't think they even notice it. They want our music, our movies, our brands, our clothing, our slang etc.


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i could produce sites that counter those but i cant be bothered too because as ive said before, we shouldnt be asking 'what hit the pentagon' but rather 'who is responsible and who gains from this attack'
I agree, it's like saying "Was Keneddy shot from the back or the front?" Totally unnecessary and irrelivant.


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When I first saw footage of this on the news the first question i asked myself, was "where is the plane, plane parts etc".When planes crash they leave a hell of a mess, not here!

The Plane turned round at 500MpH and instead of hitting Donald Rumsfelds office it did an amazing manoveur, flew low enough to exactly hit the only part bieng renovated, without knocking lampposts and trees down.

Come on look behind the smoke screen and wake up, whatever hit the pentagon was NOT a 757.

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What was it? Hmm? Again, if it were a Missile, the Order would have to come from the Pentagon. You do realise that the area that was hit was the Naval Control, guess who fires the Missiles? The Navy, why would they order themselves shot? Any Ground Bases that fired it would have basically the same thing, plus in order for this to work, you have to silence Hundreds of Military Personal

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I simply can't believe that after a handful of flying lessons (in light aircraft) that these hijackers would be able to direct a 737 directly into a target as small as the WTC or the Pentagon. I just don't buy it and whoever really planned these attacks deserves a kicking for thinking that we'd buy all this BS that they've presented to us.


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again, another very narrow minded comment. the rights of the american people are being stripped every day you ignorant person.

and whos this 'us' you speak of? are people who live on a certain piece of land better than others because they live on different peice of land?

you have a awful lot to learn about the nature of live. this is why humanity is like it is. you have fell for the old scam of DIVIDE AND RULE.

shame.


exactly.well said.hell yeah are rights are being stripped away.were losing more and more freedoms constantly all the time.the united states is headed down the path of nazi germany fast and quick.people better wake up to that. roll eyes (sarcastic)


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I simply can't believe that after a handful of flying lessons (in light aircraft) that these hijackers would be able to direct a 737 directly into a target as small as the WTC or the Pentagon. I just don't buy it and whoever really planned these attacks deserves a kicking for thinking that we'd buy all this BS that they've presented to us.


well done.

but people have bought this bullshit. this is why the world is a dangerous place. thats no lie


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I simply can't believe that after a handful of flying lessons (in light aircraft) that these hijackers would be able to direct a 737 directly into a target as small as the WTC or the Pentagon. I just don't buy it and whoever really planned these attacks deserves a kicking for thinking that we'd buy all this BS that they've presented to us.


great point.well said.The thing thats a joke about it all that it was terrorists is that were talking washington d.c the capital of the united states.they have ground control missles and all kinds of military aircraft standing by that would be there within minutes to either escort them down and keep them away from the pentagon or if worse comes to worse,shoot it down if neccessary.Payne stewart the golfer when his plane veered off course once and started going near George Bushs home in florida,they had aircraft there withing minutes to intercept it and the plane was withing several miles of his home.The proof that it WAS conspiracy and not just a complete foul up and incompetence by the people in charge is nobody was reprimanded or fired for negligence so it wasnt simply mere incompetence.heads should have rooled for this,yet none did.The reason being is because they were told to stand down by their superiours.


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well done.

but people have bought this bullshit. this is why the world is a dangerous place. thats no lie


yep. yeah well said amity and deano.I could not have said it better myself. thumb up


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So no one will touch the fact that in order for a Missile to be fired, the order has to come from the Pentagon?

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So no one will touch the fact that in order for a Missile to be fired, the order has to come from the Pentagon?
It wasn't necessarily the U.S> military that fired the missile.


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I simply can't believe that after a handful of flying lessons (in light aircraft) that these hijackers would be able to direct a 737 directly into a target as small as the WTC or the Pentagon. I just don't buy it and whoever really planned these attacks deserves a kicking for thinking that we'd buy all this BS that they've presented to us.

Why? What is your background in aviation? Do you have any basis for that statement?

It seems as if the people here are ignoring the links posted earlier rebuffing their theories. And the simple fact that Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility for these attacks should be enough to quell the argument right now.

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It wasn't necessarily the U.S> military that fired the missile.


Yes, because someone else has Missiles? Who else could have POSSIBLY fired it? Suits? The vehicle had to be manned by the Military, plus there would be dozens if not hundreds of witnesses

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