Well once again, I’d like to wish Batdude the greatest of luck in his upcoming posts, and thank him yet again, for the chance to face him in the upcoming match.
I.)A Brief Summary on Captain Atom
II.)Summary on powers
III.) Quantum Field
IV.) Energy Release
V.) Energy Absorb
VI.) Speed
VII.)Strength
VIII.)Matter Creation/Weak Force
IX.)Durability
X.)Why Captain Atom Beats Thor - Conclusion
XI.) Scans
I.) A brief summary on Captain Atom
Captain Nathaniel Christopher Adam of the United States Air Force, was an average married man that was sent to Vietnam, during the Vietnam War, and later accused of a crime he did not commit, was found guilty. The judge gave him two options, death, or a risky experiment with minimal chance of survival, in which surviving he would be given a full presidential pardon. Rather than facing death, Nathaniel accepts the latter offer and finds himself tied upon an alien metal, which was placed above a nuclear bomb. The test’s attentions to see if the metal was strong enough to stay intact from a short range nuclear explosion. Once the bomb exploded, the metal and Captain Adam, were sent spiraling 20 years ahead into the future. The world changed around Nathanial. For one, he found that this foreign alien metal, DISLUSTEL, had bonded to his skin, to which he found himself bonded to the Quantum Field. His wife remarried, and he found himself as a man out of his time, to compensate for which, he found himself turning into CAPTAIN ATOM.
II.) A brief Summary of his powers
“Dilustel Armor: Captain Atom's metallic shell, or "skin", is composed of a portion of the alien being known as Silver Shield, and is called Dilustel. Pieces of the aliens metal body were used in the Captain Atom Project, Project Major Force and similar projects thereafter. Nathaniel is able to coat himself with the metal, either partially or totally. Atom's symbiosis with the metal is such that even partially armored he is able to access the Quantum Field.
Quantum Field Manipulation: Captain Atom's metal skin is tied into the Quantum Field, which enables him to absorb and manipulate theoretically infinite amounts of energy, the amount of which he can use is, of course, limited by his will power. Captain Atom energy absorption power is second to none in the DCU, he is able to absorb just about any form of energy and store it in his person. Captain Atom can fire and control energy of any form. He commonly manipulates his energy into force field bubbles, or explosive 'bombs', but the most common form is a simple blast. Over the years, Captain Atom has become an expert at his energy manipulation and he can fire from any point on his body, although he usually uses his hands for ease of aiming. He can fire in multiple directions at once or from every point of his body at once. Several times he has "detonated", releasing a massive amount of energy at once, destroying objects within an certain radius. On more than one occasion he has used his ability to manipulate all forms of energy to prevent a foe using their own powers such as the Ray and Firestorm.
Flight: This energy can be used for flight which is generally half-light speed
Superhuman Strength: (shown at times to be on par with Superman or Martian Manhunter)
Self-Sustenance: life support allowing him to live and even speak in space
Matter Generation: Captain Atom can also create matter in the same manner he creates energy. Originally he needed a pair of gloves invented by Blue Beetle to do so, but he later learnt to do so without them. In the same way, he learnt to access weak force energy.
Enhance Abilities: With focus and effort, Captain Atom can increase any of his abilities to the match the amount of will power he uses to gain it.
Atomic Transmutation: Captain Atom has demonstrated minor atomic transmutation powers, as he was able to turn both Maul and Engineer back to their human forms. This power can be used instinctively or through concentration.
Techno Interface: He has also shown the ability to telepathically interface with computer networks in addition to those listed above.
Time Travel: Captain Atom has shown time-traveling capabilities without quantum jumping. Captain Atom states that through concentration, he can briefly travel ahead in time ("about a week or so"). The process is exhausting and the period he can interact in the future appears to be limited to a few minutes before he returns to the present.
Invulnerability: The metal is almost total invulnerable, resistant to various degrees of damage from energy, physical, heat, lasers, etc.” -DC Database
III.) Quantum Field
Now, I’m fully aware it’s pretty hacky to quote something to use as an argument, but it’s merely there, as a piece of reference for judges. So in my upcoming argument, anything that may be confusing to judges, or spectators, that’s a very usable source of reference. Now then, let me begin on my argument shall we, for I have stalled long enough. I’ve given you a very reasonable summary on Captain Atom, and a nice list of his powers, all of which are somewhat accurate. Now Then, When Captain Atom bonded with the Dislustel armor, upon arriving in the present, he was not only gifted with an invulnerable metal, but he also received a whole endless plain, called the QUANTUM FIELD. All of Captain Atom’s phenomenal powers are based upon this field, and because of the infinite spread of the Quantum Field, he can also amp all of his abilities to levels that can potentially par The Silver Surfer, as far as we(the readers) are aware. Captain Atom, has also been able to create, and destroy entire universes within the Field, giving you a great idea, on how his powers work, and the endless supply he draws upon.
IV.) Energy Projectile.
Perhaps Captain Atom’s most famous trait is his ability to project many forms of energy. He has been known to project energy in multiple directions, and has also been known to erupt is energy as if a nuclear bomb were going off. It’s perhaps his main form of offense, and is perhaps the most successful attack. Captain Atom has unlimited amount of energy due to the Quantum Field, and because of this, he has a lot of potential raw energy. He can potentially release kryptonite in energy form, to standard Nuclear blasts, which is the most commonly seen. Regardless his energy projectile is not easily matched. Especially by someone like Thor.
V.) Absorbing Energy
Another easily identifiable trait of Captain Atom is his ability to absorb energy, whether it be from an adversary, or from some sort of explosion. He can shrug off Nuclear Explosions like their nothing, can easily absorb Major Force’s attacks, to Superman’s eyebeams. Without a doubt he shouldn’t have to much difficulty absorbing Thor’s lightning projectile. A commonly misinterpreted myth related to Captain Atom, is that if he absorbs to much energy, he’ll quantum leap into the future. This is a commonly misunderstood ability. Though this is partially true, as he has quantum leaped from absorbing an enormous Kryptonite asteroid, while moving at phenomenal speeds, the impact overwhelmed him, and caused him to quantum leap. More times then not, he Quantum leaps from an overwhelming amount of unfamiliar energy. And lightning, is not unfamiliar to dead Nate. So Captain Atom should have absolutely no problem absorbing his energy.
VI.) Speed
Captain Atom, again, to beat a dead horse, draws infinite amount of energy from the Quantum Field, and this affects his ability to travel at light speeds. Not only is he capable of moving at light speeds, but he is very swift, and has great reflexes, and is very quick. He can move within buildings and save people before it explodes and collapses, under very little time. Meaning he is very capable of avoiding Thor, and dodging his attacks. Captain Atom can easily fly away from Thor, firing mixed up projectiles, as Thor struggles to keep up with him. It’s a rather strategy, but a very capable one, and would show signs of success.
VII.) Strength
Now for all you Nay-Sayers that say, despite the speed advantage, the energy absorbing, and the energy release, he’s inferior in the physical strength department. Being able to draw unlimited power from the Quantum Field, by sheer will, Captain Atom has been shown many times, to rival Superman, the Manhunter, and even the powerful Nekron. Being able to trade blows, and even put down these physical powerhouses, should mean he’s capable of trading blows with Thor, if he’s forced to fight hand to hand. Also, when Nate lost his powers, batman trained him to be a formidable hand to hand combatant, meaning he is no slouch in the martial arts. So adding to his speed and energy advantage, he’s also capable of rivaling the Norse God in physical strength, and fighting.
VIII.) Matter Creation/Weak Force
As Captain Atom’s stories Progressed over the years, he found himself learning new abilities. And Upon learning new abilities, he learned how to create matter. Similar to the way Firestorm does so, but much more flawlessly, and less mathematically. More interestingly, he learned how to harness the weak force. The weak force in blatant terms is one of the fundamental forces, in which particles interact with one another. Currently the Weak Force is best described through the Electroweak theory, which is a unified description the Weak Force, and Electromagnetism(another one of the fundamental forces) which describes two forces, as one. They merge into a single Electroweak force. When hot enough(temperatures that were reached in early stages of the big bang) the Weak Force and Electromagnetism form the Electroweak force. In summary, Captain Atom is capable of manipulating the Weak Force, and once capable of harnessing the Electroweak Force, Thor is screwed.
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IX.)Durability
By now, I’m pretty sure that you can tell that Captain Atom is capable of being an elemental, a force of nature, but let’s talk about what he is capable of, rather than, what he has done, and could do. His Dislustel Metal Skin, is capable of taking extreme beatings, as he’s been able to stay intact from beatings from Mr. majestic, and an Apollo that was trying to kill him, eventually overloading his ability to gather sunlight causing him to overload. In any case, Captain Atom’s durability rivals superman. I mean, the metal stood up to a nuclear bomb on it’s own. So Thor won’t be able to beat him to a pulp, even if he stood still.
X.)Why Captain Atom Beats Thor -Conclusion
Captain Atom not only puts Thor to shame in speed, but in the energy department, for you see, though Thor’s hammer has the ability to “rebound” energy if you will, it just utterly falls short to Captain Atom’s energy abilities. As he’s able throw off attacks the size of Nuclear Bombs, and then some(he did use this tactic to defeat Hal Jordan after all.) His physical strength, when increased, can match that of Superman and the Martian Manhunter. Superman being infamous for his physical strength. And being a phenomenal hand to hand combatant being trained by the great Batman himself. Often considered one of the greatest hand to hand fighters there is. So not even a full potential Captain Atom can beat Thor, and that’s not to put Thor down, he’s just not as disciplined as Captain Atom. And will ultimately fall short to him in battle. Being able to absorb any attack thrown at him, and reverse it right back.
XI.)Scans
And Now, after my long filibuster, I now and my statements with the scans.
Alright, first of all, I suppose I should get the gratitude crap out of the way. Thank you judges, thank you Capt Spaulding, thank you viewers, etc. Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub. Yay God!!!
Now, I don’t think it should come as a surprise to anyone… but Thor is indeed more powerful than Captain Atom. Unless of course we’re talking about “teh fullest potentialest AtOm11!!!” where he could create and destroy universes on a whim. However, since this battle does not take place in the heart of the Quantum Field, it’s completely moot, and Nathaniel won’t be able to recreate anything of the sort.
In terms of energy projection, Nathaniel doesn’t compare with Mjolnir. Powerful blasts are what the Asgardian god is famous for.
After blasting Gladiator to hell, he proceeds to batter him unconscious.
Now, Capt Spaulding might counter this point by showing the scan of when Atom along with others absorbed the plasma universe created by Parallax. However, the job was split up amongst them. It’s truly ambiguous as to how much of a part Atom was in absorbing it. Therefore, it’s not exactly conclusive evidence as to how much energy he’s capable of absorbing.
But here, Major Force’s energy was released after Katana cut both of his hands off. Captain Atom attempts to absorb the energy, but finds that he’s “never absorbed so much.” The result? He ends up quantum leaping many years into the future. Apparently, Atom must not have been a HUGE help when it came to absorbing the energy of Parallax’s universe. And it certainly shows that Thor’s absorption capability is much better via Mjolnir.
I guarantee Spaulding can’t show you a single feat of strength that Atom has on par with those. About the best thing he could show you is Atom breaking out of Superman’s hold with a ‘bow to the face.
Atom and Thor’s versatility are about even. However, I’ve shown that Thor is physically superior (by far). I’ve show that Thor’s absorption ability is much greater. I’ve shown that Thor’s energy output is at a much higher level than Captain Atom’s. All of these advantages would spell victory for Thor if these two were to encounter each other. Now, for the actual battle at hand…
To start off, Thor will send out a gigantic blast directly at Captain Atom. The initial blast in and of itself might overload his absorption capabilities and send him quantum leaping. However, even if he does absorb the energy, he will be hurt. Don’t let Spaulding try and fool you into think that energy attacks don’t hurt Atom. Superman disproved that here:
It’s doubtful that Atom will be in any condition to fight after one of Thor’s strongest blasts, but let’s get one thing straight… ANY energy that Captain Atom throws in Thor’s direction will be absorbed, and redirected at Nathaniel 100 fold.
After owning the shit out of Mangog, Thor does exactly that to Thanos.
One of two things will happen after Captain Atom’s blast gets redirected towards him at 100 times the initial power.
A. Atom will be KO’d by the enormous amount of energy.
Or…
B. Atom will absorb so much energy that he will quantum leap either forward or backward in time.
If Atom somehow manages to not be KO’d after all of this (which is HIGHLY unlikely) or remains on the battle field, he WILL be extremely dazed and confused.
From there, Thor has a few simple ways of taking out Atom that would extraordinarily effective (once again, this is assuming that Nathan isn’t KO’d or BFR’d via quantum leap already after being hit by both Thor’s and his own energy (x100)).
I think a simple Mjolnir toss will suffice in taking him out. As I’ve shown before, Atom is particularly vulnerable to physical damage.
Or, he could create a vortex around Atom to suck all of the air out of his lungs.
Superman owned a team of heroes (including Atom) by creating a vortex around them, so we know that Atom can be taken out this way.
Pick your poison. Any which way you cut it, Atom is f*cked in this fight.
Bottom line? This match was over before it started. The truth is Thor is the perfect character to counteract any kind of offensive strategy Atom can come up with. Energy? Gets absorbed and redirected. Physically? Thor is more than a match for him in hand to hand.
Thor wins this match.
And yes, Capt Spaulding, this hurts me just as much as it hurts you. I don’t like arguing against Nathaniel.
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The truth hurts you does it. Well…considering we are both fans, must means that you’re right in your argument right? Because you’re a well known fan of the character I’m representing, MUST mean that you’ve won correct? Not quite…..as You’ve failed to point out certain things. For one, Captain Atom Quantum leaped twice in jeph Loeb’s series. Jeph Loeb, who knows little to none about Captain Atom. Jeph Loeb the same man who gave superman “T-Vo.” So that he can watch his favorite episodes of Sponge bob K. Next, Apollo had captured Nathaniel off guard, and as he was beating him, intending to kill him mind you, Atom still made him pay by overloading his sun reception. Apollo when angered is just as powerful as Thor, and I’m pretty sure our local, friendly neighborhood moderator, Digimark007, could tell us just the same.
Now I find it rather repulsive that you of all fans, would have the nerve to say that Mjolnir can absorb and dish out more energy than Captain Atom. Now a fan like you, who’s argued that Captain Atom can beat Hal Jordan, Hal Jordan who without a doubt can trump Thor. So it’s just a little interesting that you’d deceive our dearest judges by making such claims. Now…I’ll be blunt, the feats from Captain Atom Armageddon are dubious at best. I mean he did absorb the void’s energy explosion with little difficulty, and he did make fools out of the wild cats. But…….Any true fan of the Wildstorm universe can tell you that the characters were falsely depicted, and thus the whole series is probably best disregarded past entertainment value.
Captain Atom can indeed breathe in space, for instance, if you want to use anything from Wildstorm, then you can’t say he can’t breathe in space, for in the series we see Captain Atom on the moon, and not only that. Breathing and Talking on the moon to Angie, the Engineer. And he’s been shown breathing in space in DC as well! So yet another foible to your misleading argument. If anything should hurt you about what you said, it should simply be.
Thor is not superior to Nate in any way. And you actually think that Thor is stronger. Maybe at base level, but your absolutely incorrect, he uses the Quantum Field to amplify his powers based off sheer will, much like a Green Lantern uses sheer will to create objects through their rings. So no, it is not moot whatsoever. Captain Atom dented Dr. Fate’s helmet, beat the Martian Manhunter, and broke out of an Angered, strength amplified Superman’s grip. All of which are easily in Thor’s League. Now as Monarch, over the course of the next year or so, we’ll see even more strength feats from CA, such as his ability to fight alternate reality Superman’s. Now, We agreed to not show off Monarch feats, but I’m merely using it as a referance point, because it’s without a doubt it’s all within Captain Atom’s ability. And I’d love to See Thor get a flat off nice hit on Captain Atom, as he’s faster than him, which also gives him enough time to amplify, which doesn’t take to much either.
Captain Atom’s energy distribution is in no way second to Mjolnir. If there’s one thing Captain Atom is second to none in, it’s in shooting energy attacks. He can absorb anything Thor fires at him, absorb it, and release straight back at him with triple the energy, and no Batdude, he will not Quantum Leap, despite what Loeb Wants you to believe. Thor isn’t that phenomenal, he’s been Hulk’s ***** how often over the years. His energy hasn’t done much, and he’s been beaten to a pulp. Captain Atom, who had no problem in taking out a Hulk-Like character in Maul. Thor is just not on the same level as Captain Atom.
Warrior Madness Thor barely phases the Hulk…And you expect Captain Atom to be able to absorb standard Thor’s lightening, when he’s fully capable of absorbing large explosions, and other attacks from the likes of Firestorm, and Superman as well? http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathan...Thor-IH440a.jpg
And Hulk is able to trump Thor again, when he’s spinning the fastest he can… http://img24.exs.cx/img24/5391/screwball3gx.jpg
Captain Atom defeats Hal Jordan, if he can take Hal Jordan out, then why not thor? http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...kly630070fz.jpg
Now if batdude says what others have about his power ring supply then I’ll have lost respect for him, for he said and I quote, since he was the original one to post the fight.
“Note: Hal’s ring was running on the old process meaning that it had infinite power for 24 hours. When Hal said that his ring’s charge was running low, he just meant that it was approaching its time limit, and not that it was any weaker than normal.”
In summary, Thor can’t keep up, out power, and out punch Nate, if he’s lucky enough to weaken him, then he’ll go off like a nuclear explosion, and stand over his fallen adversary just as he did with Hal Jordan, but come on, it’s Thor, who’s not even on par with Superman, and the only reason he would beat Superman, is with the magic weakness, which Nate doesn’t have. Thor goes down hard, one way or another. Your cherry picking for high feats for Thor, and low feats for Nate. Which is easy for a fan to do, if they want to win.
The first couple portions of your opening post are worthless to the battle itself. All you’re doing is describing what Atom can do, and what he can POTENTIALLY do. Now to attend to the points that you actually brought up…
Your whole argument of Atom only quantum leaping after absorbing “unfamiliar types” of energy is extremely disingenuous.
Atom admits that he has a limit as to how much energy he can absorb. Kinda defeats your idea of him being able to absorb infinite amounts of energy, huh?
At the very least, I’ve shown that a strong blast from Thor should be able to overload Atom, forcing him to quantum leap. If the judges are still not convinced of this, they have to accept the fact that energy from Thor WILL seriously f*ck him up and hurt him.
About Captain Atom’s speed… the scan you showed for him in space is NOT light speed. He comments that he can probably go at least a few hundred thousand miles... per HOUR. The problem is that “light speed” is actually around 186,000 miles per SECOND. Hell, Nathaniel flat out stated that he doubts he can fly at light speed. Plus, he also stated that that Earth’s atmosphere (because of drag) limits his flying speed. So, nice try with that one.
Atom is not too fast for Thor to react to in battle. He’s fought faster opponents before, and won against them.
Also, if you want to compare speed… here’s Thor going 3x the speed of light.
He outright says “these guys fold like cheap suits.” Meaning, they are inferior to the actual Justice League he knows. So, I really don’t know where you got the notion of this Martian Manhunter being able to rival Superman.
I already showed Atom being pounded on by Apollo and beaten by Superman. So, uh… yeah, Thor is physically superior to Atom. Thor’s feats of strength >> Nathaniel’s.
And your electroweak point… you have no scans to back it up and there’s reason as to why it would “own” Thor. Moot point.
As for your reasoning on why Captain Atom beats Thor…
-Captain Atom doesn’t have the speed advantage.
-His energy wielding/manipulation is not greater than Thor’s.
-Show me ONE instance of Captain Atom going toe to toe with a true top tier in strength. Captain Marvel, Superman, J’onn, Black Adam, Orion… anyone. So far, you saying he’s on par with Superman in strength is just hearsay, and is directly contradicted by on-panel evidence.
Now, to recap my plan of attack…
1. Thor blasts Atom with an enormous amount of energy.
(One more showing of energy for Thor)
Here, he completely owns Ego the living planet by combining the elements into one gigantic thermo-blast.
2. Any energy blast that Atom inevitably sends out in Thor’s direction will be absorbed and redirected towards Nathaniel 100 fold.
3. At this point, Captain Atom is either KO’d, stunned, or he’s quantum leaping.
4. If he’s only stunned at this point (unlikely), he either gets a face full of Mjolnir strikes, gets turned into nothingness via anti-matter, or gets his life energy sucked out.
But, IF Atom comes in and makes this a physical match up, he will be dominated by Thor.
Don’t get mad at me because you think I’m being a sell out, Spaulding. It was you who challenged me. You wanted Captain Atom as your character. Rather than whine about what scans I show of him, use others to try and prove me wrong. That’s how this whole thing works. However, since you can't seem to be able to do that, I can get down to the rest of my post.
First of all, Jeph Loeb did not create Torquasm-Vo for Superman. That was Kurt Busiek. Nice try with that one though.
And the only reason Apollo stopped wailing on Nathaniel was because Atom tricked him. He defeated Apollo through deception and intellect.
And at an angry Apollo being = to Thor. In fact, Digi would probably be the first one to tell you that that’s a load of bullshit.
I’m not deceiving any one here, Capt. I think you’ve got it backwards. How exactly does Hal Jordan “without a doubt” trump Thor? Truly, I’d like to know. Hal, Kyle, Superman, Thor, and Silver Surfer are all relative equals when it comes to power… with Atom being a slight step below them. And yes, I have argued that Captain Atom can defeat Hal Jordan. This was back in the days when people thought of him like they do Martian Manhunter now. However, that does NOT mean I think he’d take Hal for the majority. Two totally different things.
And let me get this straight… I can’t show scans from Armageddon, but you can show him beating Majestic, Maul, and taking a blast from the Void? You just pwned yourself right there, buddy.
Comics have inconsistencies in them, yes; however I’ve shown on two separate occasions that Atom can’t breathe in space.
So the judges can decide for themselves whether or not Atom can breathe in space, however, based upon the above evidence… he can’t.
And again you try to dupe people into believing that Captain Atom is physically equal to Superman. Seriously, how many times does this have to be shot down in order for you not to bring it up anymore?
I’ve already shown the scan where Captain Atom states that the alternate universe Justice League is inferior to the actual Justice League. You conveniently left that scan out to make it into something it’s not.
And as for Atom breaking Superman’s grip. Are you kidding me? I guarantee that if a guy twice as strong as me held my waist and I ‘bowed him in the face… he’d let go. It’s not like Superman was holding his arms in place, and Atom struggled free. Once again, you’re making it out to be better than it actually is.
Bottom line: Captain Atom is NOT as strong as Thor, and he certainly doesn’t have the feats to back it up.
Your “Monarch” references are meaningless to the battle. Moving on…
Once again, Nathaniel does not have the speed advantage in this fight. If Atom tries fleeing to amp himself, Thor’s going to be right there giving him a face full of energy blasts or Mjolnir strikes.
Despite what Loeb wrote in Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, I also posted plenty of other scans that depict him quantum leaping after absorbing a certain amount of energy.
So, Thor is unable to make Captain Atom quantum leap but Maxima can?
Because we all know that Maxima is totally more powerful than Thor when it comes to energy output…
And if the Armageddon series is unusable in this battle, then you bringing up him defeating Maul = Jesus, there are just SO many logical fallacies in your arguments…
Thor is not on Captain Atom’s level? Hopefully from the scans I’ve already shown, the judges can see how false that statement truly is.
Anyway, the first scan you have of Thor supposedly being hit by a train isn’t showing up.
Warrior Madness Thor… you mean the same one who owned Beta Ray Bill, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, and Silver Surfer? Yeah, nice example…
Anytime Thor decides to physically fight against the Hulk, he usually pays for it. But that’s just like all top tiers in Marvel. Still though, I’ve shown an instance of Thor making the Hulk look completely foolish in a h2h encounter.
However, I really don’t get the point of you showing that, considering Thor will be utilizing Mjolnir’s versatility to the fullest capacity. Not to mention the fact that Thor is stronger and more skilled than Atom.
Maybe because any energy output by Captain Atom will get absorbed into Mjolnir and shot right back at him 100x.
Plus, Thor doesn’t have human durability like Hal Jordan. I didn’t see a shield up around Hal when he went to bum rush Atom.
I don’t see Captain Atom handing any one his ass in this scan. All I see is Nathaniel punching the Monarch suit once to no avail.
Oh, and your ambiguous scan about how Atom can manipulate time is pretty funny. But don’t think it’s anything unique, as with Mjolnir, Thor is able to do the same thing.
Cocky isn’t he judges. Not exactly the nicest thing to patronize one of your favorite characters. Now…How exactly did I pwn myself when I specifically noted that if you insist on using Wildstorm scans, then you would have to show the fact that he can breathe in space, and that he doesn’t easily overload, considering he can shrug off an explosion from the void, who without a doubt, puts anything Thor throws to shame. But again, everything from Wildstorm is pretty uselss, which I said, so yeah likez I totally like pwned myself!!!! ZOMG!!!! Now then, with childishness out of the way, even though that may be against you wishes. Now…Tell me this, how does anything from…”back-in-the-days.” make any relevant case for you now? Cause let’s face it, yes Hal Jordan would trump Thor, as well as the Surfer, and Superman could. If Thor would be superman it’s only because of the magic advantage, but again, a moot point, then again, your whole argument which seems to talk about my argument, rather than talking about how thor can do anything other than overload him, when he’s taken countless energy blasts, writers just pick and choose when they quantum leap Atom. How can I say this for someone like you to comprehend. “plot device.” For example, in Superman/Batman, to further progress the plot, Loeb has Atom quantum leap to a future, where the earth is annihilated, and only Superman remains.
Now….Even if Thor is superior to atom, which he most certainly, without a doubt, is not. O, sorry chief, I actually did think Loeb was the one who devised T-Vo, it was what I was told. So I’m sorry, my apologies to you, and to the judges. The scan referring to the alternate realties…I said it was alternate realities martian. And that scan you posted, was right in between the martian one, and the dr. Fate scan. honestly it isn’t even that big of a deal. Now then, back to my point about Thor being inferior to Nathaniel. One very key reason to why Thor is inferior to Atom, who is not inferior to Superman btw. Kryptonite, and Red Sun radiation, quickly do away with that Kryptonian threat. In short. Thor fights like a child with down syndrome. For god’s sake, this man possesses a multi-dimensional hammer, and uses it as a club. It’s like using a Gun, without the bullets. Thor who can send all of his adversaries to another dimension with just a wave of his hammer, chooses to be “sporting” and fight them head on. Well he isn’t a very impressive hand to hand warrior, being bested constantly, especially by the incredible hulk! Who he should be vastly superior to! The Hulk can’t even fly. Thor is such a babbling adversary, he’ll probably forget to strike him with lightning, which once again folks, he can handle. I mean if the hulk can stand up to a hammer, why can’t Nate. And Second, even if this plot device occurs, he’ll miss what, 23 hours, to which he’ll just beat him ahead of time. Wow I really have holes in my argument, I mean even though Atom is faster, and is no slouch in the physical strength department, because remember folks, Atom has the Quantum Field, an infinite realm in which he was capable of creating an entire universe, despite what my shifty adversary said, is not moot, for he can effortlessly draw energy, to amp his physical strength, I’ve shown it in prior scans, and will in upcoming scans.
Now my shifty doppelganger, I will take the initiative here, to applaud you on trying to mislead our judges by taking the “I’m a fan, but even I KNOW, he loses.” approach. Come on batdude, give them some respect, their not nincompoops, they’ve seen your tangents in various Captain Atom threads where you’ve gone out of your way to prove Atom would win, even if it means he doesn’t take the majority. Because even if you think atom can beat the Green Lantern in a match, even not for the majority, that’s moot, in lack of better words. This fight, is merely to prove that Captain Atom beats Thor. He can match in strength, is faster, puts energy abilities to shame, and is without a doubt a better fighter. He has military training, and training from the infamous Bruce Wayne, whereas Thor…despite being a born warrior….Fights like a ninny. Sorry he was given dreadful writers….for all 40 years of his Stan Lee conception. So while dancing circles around Thor, and not being Quantum Leaped, he’s more than a match for Thor. O wait, I forgot, you informed the judges I have no solid fight, but….Well guess your wrong BD. By the way, since you are a fan, it’s a pity you’d sell your fandom short, for a victory by picking low showings.
Here we have radiation turning Thor back into his wimpy form…..Captain Atom can do this effortless people.
I have a barrel full of impressive scans to pick from, and to prevent myself from doing a double post again, I’ll stop here for now. In summary, you don’t win batdude, and once more, to be cocky, You and your down syndrome friend. LOSE
You ask how you pwned yourself, Capt? Here’s what you said in your third post, and I quote:
“Now…I’ll be blunt, the feats from Captain Atom Armageddon are dubious at best. I mean he did absorb the void’s energy explosion with little difficulty, and he did make fools out of the wild cats. But…….Any true fan of the Wildstorm universe can tell you that the characters were falsely depicted, and thus the whole series is probably best disregarded past entertainment value.”
So apparently I can’t show any scans from Armageddon but you can bring up as many feats as you want from that mini? Get your bullshit out of this match. And if you want to win this, you might not want to contradict yourself so much. It doesn’t look very good to the judges.
And by the way, the “Void” (Nikola) at that point wasn’t more powerful than Thor at all. She was completely inexperienced with her newly manifested powers, and all she did was make a blast that sent Captain Atom flying backwards. Nothing to make anyone believe she was actually more powerful than the Asgardian god of thunder. Now, in issue #9, she was most definitely more powerful, having transcended her human nature. She stole a portion of the void out of Atom’s body when nobody else could do anything to him. After sending him home to the DC universe, she then destroyed the WildStorm universe.
Anyway…
I find your statement of Silver Surfer being above Thor to be baseless drivel. First of all, Norrin has already admitted that Mjolnir is more powerful than the Power Cosmic.
And I’m sorry Capt, but Nathaniel has quantum leapt after absorbing energy TOO many times for the judges to simply ignore. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean you can throw around the words “plot device” to make them disregard all the instances. You’re grasping for straws here. That much is apparent.
I’ve shown plenty of scans to indicate to the judges that it is indeed a viable tactic for Thor to win.
And don’t worry about the Jeph Loeb/T-Vo thing. It’s just another example of your misleading information.
Kinda like you not showing this scan when Atom says the alternate Justice League members are cheap knock offs compared to the real deals.
And I know you stated that they were an alternate Justice League, however you were trying to mislead people into thinking that the Martian Manhunter he owned “rivals Superman.”
So yeah, it IS a big deal…
You talk about me misleading the judges? Please… what a hypocritical thing to say.
Oh, and not that it matters to this particular battle, but Atom is definitely not above Superman. Superman has already made him his ***** twice. And please show me where Captain Atom was able to actually create kryptonite on panel. IIRC, in Public Enemies he had to steal Batman’s kryptonite ring and channel his energies through it, thus augmenting the power, in order to take Superman out. I’ve certainly never seen him create some out of the blue, however.
And @ you trying to make an argument for CIS being a part of this battle. It isn’t. We control what our characters do in this type of a match. That’s what tourneys are. Once again, you’re spouting more drivel, Capt. Thor isn’t going to be using Mjolnir like a club in this battle. He’s going to be using the versatility of his hammer to the fullest extent, like what I described in my battle plan. Another one of your irrelevant points ftl.
And still you try and claim that Captain Atom is faster than Thor? I disproved that shit in my second post. Nathaniel could barely go a few hundred thousand miles per hour in space (which you tried to claim was light speed ). On top of that, he said his speed was very much limited in Earth’s atmosphere because of drag. Thor is actually faster than Atom, Spaulding. Atom's not going to be ‘speedblitzing’ anybody in this fight (which, he isn’t even capable of, btw). Silver Surfer is a HELL of a lot faster than Atom, but he got owned by Thor.
Hopefully this is the last time I’ll have to address the issue of Atom’s strength. YES Captain Atom is indeed a slouch in the physical department when in comparison to Thor. Here, Atom gets physically handled by Major Force.
You don’t. I asked for you to show me one instance where Atom physically went toe to toe against any of the top tiers. Superman, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Orion, etc… You haven’t shown anything to make people actually believe he’s on par with Superman in strength.
Anyway, if you noticed in your scans, that radiation caused a “freak one-in-a-million combination of molecules.” Meaning, that was a fluke. Pure and simple. There’s no chance Atom is going to be able to replicate that feat. Geez, even when you try to show Thor looking bad, you still fail.
Irregardless, any radiation or energy sent out in Thor’s direction gets absorbed, just like he did against Kang in the scan above. Then Thor redirects it towards Nathaniel 100 fold.
Once again, this is also assuming that the initial gigantic blast of magical energy didn’t KO or BFR Atom via quantum leaping. Next…
Captain Atom is battling a god here… and you show him fighting the Russian army?
ZOMG!!! Thor is in SO much trouble now!!!
*snickers*
Even when you’re trying to post impressive scans of Captain Atom, he still gets owned in your last one before that guy leaves.
Um… where exactly in those scans does it depict Captain Atom actually BREATHING in space? I certainly don’t see it. Yay, you just proved that he can stay in space for (and I quote) “a few moments.”
Nothing suggests breathing there, Capt.
Ronnie was inexperienced at the time. Not to mention in the second fight you showed the Professor was having a seizure.
Not that it actually matters because Thor is>Firestorm.
Moot, considering Thor isn’t a being of pure energy.
NOTE TO THE JUDGES
1. He has not shown any scans that are more impressive than Thor’s.
2. He hasn’t given a good counterargument as to why my plan wouldn’t work.
3. His argument is full of holes.
Thor wins this match. End o’ story.
__________________ Poppa's comin home to sling some dick.
Jason says:
what am I supposed to do?
Jon says:
clean your apt before she moves in? buy some pink bed sheets? scented candles?
Jason says:
wait, u have pink bed sheets?
Jon says:
ive said too much
Wow, way to completely misinterpret what I said Batty. I said if you insist on using Armageddon scans to prove that Atom is inferior, than I’ll be forced to use them too, but all in all, they are pretty much for entertainment value. I didn’t contradict myself at all, considering I’ve o so bluntly stated that I’m using those scans for the “if your doing, than I’ll do” purpose. Sorry you missed that memo, and sorry you misinterpreted that, and yet again, tried to mislead the judges, as you’ve done this entire evening. Now I apologize for my delayed response, been busy, but hey, it isn’t to hard to point out that you not only mislead the judges with trying to say I contradicted myself, but your entire petty argument you over confident….Anyway, basically you first dozen statements are more useless then your “argument.” Boy, trumping the Silver Surfer, now it may be PIS, but even the Black Panther has done it. It’s happened so often now, that when the Silver Surfer was presented in Annihilation, boy was I excited, cause he kicked ass…Well, again, he’s pretty much a tool to prove that “this character is better than a herald, ZOMG!!!”
How am I grasping for straws? And in many occasions, it serves as a good plot element, giving multiple views, that aren’t normally told from a 3rd person narrative. So yeah, all of a sudden “I don’t like it.” And hey, if your confident that some plot device Quantum Leaping is going to cause you to win the match, then your deadly wrong. Because seriously, the quantum leaping was non existent(outside of his origin story, it’s where the idea was based off of), it serves to tell the story for the plot. And seriously batty, the plot does matter more than looking at the quantum leaping from a 2-dimensional sense saying “LIKEZ yoz no likez it, cause he loses!” Well, if that were the case, more times than not he Quantum Leaps, but returns relatively quickly, to defeat his adversary (see below). So yet again judges, I’ve thoroughly gone over how Batdude is misleading you yet again, and he can easily manipulate his “story-telling” because he does know a lot about Captain Atom, but it seems to me that he cares more about winning, then an accurate depiction of the character, ‘cause let’s face it kids, Batdude did have a long period of time, where he’d go to countless threads were he’d say Nate would win, despite it being a long shot, and believe me, this is far from a long shot. (I would post a thread, but when you research posts, they only go 8 pages back.)
And dude, moving on, cause I’ve so blatantly proven your shady stories inaccurate, let’s talk about how those scans of Thor, are not anything above Captain Atom. O, o boy your going to have fun with this paragraph, simply because anything that you can twist and distort, like a sleazy journalist. Now throughout my following statements, I’ll point out how your scans are just pretty pointless to your argument, because really, your main argument is either
A. this scan is Thor>Cap
B. This scan of yours is not Cap>thor
Pretty pointless, but I’ll drop it there, and rebring it up later.
Atom has to be exposed to a substance before he can create it out of the blue, and since Public enemies he hasn’t fought Superman. Also, let’s face it. Superman is constantly trumping people he shouldn’t, but hey let’s not go to much into detail, I don’t want to repeat stuff you already know
O, btw, martian_mind can clarify this, in the Captain Atom v.s Martian Manhunter thread, you were the very first one to clain he can travel light speed, but nice try my hypocritical friend
O, and another thing, This fight is not Captain Atom full potential v.s Thor full potential, you said that in one of your first posts, otherwise I’d be pulling out all the stops. So, yet again, another pointless few sentences on your part. So yes, this is 1,2, 3 strikes he’s out at the old ball game. Thor, to beat a dead horse, isn’t faster, won’t speed blitz either, and finally, Surfer never fights the way he’s suppose to. And you said I had holes in my argument, I feel like I’m talking to trickster here.
Yow! Major Force was written to be physically stronger than Nate! It’s part of his character to be the stronger, dumber Nate, yet, guess what I have some scans of Nate kicking his ass, while leaving the military! Yow! That leaves another hole in your argument, yup, yup, yup, using your word now, it only seems appropriate.
Atom hasn’t fought many heroes. He’s assisted them, but seriously, he rarely faces heroes. So, sorry to let you down big boy. But yes, he is no slouch in the physical department, He’s faced GL, won, Firestorm, won, Superman, lost(so has Hal, Flash, etc.), I’d go on, but you’d probably warp it to support your argument as before. O yeah, my scan was old school 1960’s nonsense, but it’s that nonsense that set the stone for Thor, and is typically the most respected era of comics amongst society, and historical comic researchers, maybe second to the early golden age of DC.
I've shown several scans, with him breathing, your scans are from very early Captain Atom comics, his powers were improved upon.
O boy, 3 wins out of what, 11? Hulk constantly makes Thor his *****, and I've shown 3 separate fights with Thor losing to the Hulk. me, being a Hulk, hater am appalled by this, but Captain Atom is superior to the Hulk in everyway, except maybe the Hulk's strength when he's enraged.
Captain Atom takes care of the stronger, but dumber Major Force
I'm so confident in my argument, and your argument is so lacking, that I'm comfortable with showing a scan of him saving Aquaman. Watch this be the main bulk of Batdude's short posts.
Remember our friend who made Atom "leap" http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...atom37200ux.jpg
Shows you how relevant Bardude's Quantum Leaping scans are, maybe he should go with another approach if he had one...
Shields Maxima, who made him Quantum leap from a large explosion. Again, showing how pretty pointless those Quantum Leaping scans are...there goes your ace batty.
Seriously, this debate has gotten pretty one sided. Batdude's main argument is him Quantum Leaping, which I've shown above is pretty much jut a plot device. He only leaps when it needs to show a another perspective on the story. I mean he's shown scans of him leaping from a Nuclear sub, when I’ve shown him shrugging off Nuclear Explosions, and the Nuclear man, He's shown scans of Maximus making him leap, I've shown scans of him not only protecting her, but wounding her. His main argument is how Atom can't keep up, which I've shown him to be faster, and though he won't speed blitz him, one thing batdude was accurate about, His speed will not allow Thor to speed blitz him in anyway. Captain Atom isn't exactly a Fist to fist character, but I've shown many scans, when push comes to shove, he can brawl with the best of them. All of his posts are very short, two sentences explaining a scan, and quoting. he says my argument has wholes, he has no argument past Quantum Leaping, and Atom not being able to breathe, when I've shown he's been able to in space. Thor fights like an idiot, and Atom's been shown fighting Elementals, and other worldly creatures such as Nekron, who's lord of the unliving. To overcompensate for his lack of argument he's making me out to be hypocritical, when i've plainly explained myself 3 times now, once in the initial post, and twice in the responding ones. Honestly Judges, he's been thrifty, when he's been a profound Captain Atom fanboy in the past, I would show some threads, if they weren't so old, cause yes, it was a while ago. Thor’s buffoonery I've mentioned only once, it's just one part of my argument, if he wasn't so busy trying to incriminate my argument, then maybe he'd be able to come up with one of his own that doesn't involve plot points. I think it was a good move to try to convince the judges, that because you have prior knowledge of Captain Atom, that you could easilly convince them that Thor wins, maybe you should know more about Thor, and stop trying to use your knowledge of Captain Atom in contrast to mine, cause it goes no where. He put up a good fight, but he loses, for his lack of argument, spending to much time disproving me, and relying to heavilly on plot devices. Good job BD
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Oct 21st, 2007 10:56 PM
at an angry Apollo being = to Thor. In fact, Digi would probably be the first one to tell you that that’s a load of bullshit.
You just pwned yourself right there, buddy.
Seriously, how many times does this have to be shot down in order for you not to bring it up anymore?
Jesus, there are just SO many logical fallacies in your arguments…
Hopefully from the scans I’ve already shown, the judges can see how false that statement truly is.
). On top of that, he said his speed was very much limited in Earth’s atmosphere because of drag. Thor is actually faster than Atom, Spaulding. Atom's not going to be ‘speedblitzing’ anybody in this fight (which, he isn’t even capable of, btw). Silver Surfer is a HELL of a lot faster than Atom, but he got owned by Thor.
Now throughout my following statements, I’ll point out how your scans are just pretty pointless to your argument, because really, your main argument is either 
