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Surfer's energy blasts vs Superman's Heat vision
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abhilegend
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Originally posted by darthgoober
abhi, you're mixing up me with yourself. You're the one who loves to play the lowball game...


What about that is lowballing?

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Also back on topic, what is omitted from Surfer "black hole" creating blast is that Ravenous and the seekers survived the same blast and came out of the same black hole.

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That's why space cheese is irrelevant. If Surfer had even koed Ravenous with that blast, I could find it impressive. As it is, its another smokescreen with little value in terms of relative power levels.


The seekers were shown and stated to have survived the blast and the black hole.


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Like it or not, cheese or not, feats are feats man. And feats matter on KMC regardless of how much you hate that fact.

So Superman still trumps Surfer in terms of raw power? Because helping to create a big bang is infinitely more impressive than creating a black hole, wouldn't you agree?


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What about that is lowballing?



The seekers were shown and stated to have survived the blast and the black hole.


Well you're saying that since the Seekers survived it takes away from the blast's impressiveness. Basically what you said I would do in regards to the Supes/DS instance, it lowers Surfer's feat rather than simply qualifying as a really good feat for the Seekers.

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So Superman still trumps Surfer in terms of raw power? Because helping to create a big bang is infinitely more impressive than creating a black hole, wouldn't you agree?


Of course not, it's an quantifiable joint/group feat. Like Thor and Herc sealing a rift in space by punching each others fists from opposite ends of the portal Supes, WW, and MM moving the Spectre.


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Well you're saying that since the Seekers survived it takes away from the blast's impressiveness. Basically what you said I would do in regards to the Supes/DS instance, it lowers Surfer's feat rather than simply qualifying as a really good feat for the Seekers.


Because Seekers weren't shown to be that powerful. A weakened Firelord fought Ravenous to double KO.

While omega beams have some incredible showings in terms of power.
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Of course not, it's an quantifiable joint/group feat. Like Thor and Herc sealing a rift in space by punching each others fists from opposite ends of the portal Supes, WW, and MM moving the Spectre.


Hahaha, right. So creating a big bang in a group isn't more impressive than creating a black hole.

What you described are planetary feats. What Superman and the group did was at least universal level. Even you can't be this dumb to think Surfer creating a black hole is somehow more impressive because it was done alone.

Surfer fans everyone.


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'Creating a big bang'

Firing his energy alongside others towards an entity that then altered the energies with a chronal mix and then fired it all at something else?

How the hell do you even quantify that?
The fact that the energy from all of them were altered already puts a dent in claiming it was just HV that aided it

So if Mr A fires lightning, which is then completely altered by an entity to perform a feat,you're going to tell me that it was his lightning that performed said feat?

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What is the first IYO?
Surfer created the black hole intentionally.
Likely hyperbole. Thor once said that falling from a building may kill him and same was said for Hercules.



Whether you believe he created it intentionally or not,(despite nothing pointing to the former)
He merely discharged energy,which then resulted in black hole, he didn't outright form one like stardust, so either way,its an energy discharge that resulted in black hole, AKA a side effect

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'Creating a big bang'

Firing his energy alongside others towards an entity that then altered the energies with a chronal mix and then fired it all at something else?


The energy was altered, not amped. Waverider even says that the heroes were doing the work.

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How the hell do you even quantify that?
The fact that the energy from all of them were altered already puts a dent in claiming it was just HV that aided it


Nobody said it was only HV. It was among one of the energy sources though.

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So if Mr A fires lightning, which is then completely altered by an entity to perform a feat,you're going to tell me that it was his lightning that performed said feat?


If the lightning is altered in another energy form and does it, yes why not?


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Whether you believe he created it intentionally or not,(despite nothing pointing to the former)
He merely discharged energy,which then resulted in black hole, he didn't outright form one like stardust, so either way,its an energy discharge that resulted in black hole, AKA a side effect

It wasn't a side effect, it was what surfer intended.

Side effect is this.

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