So Superman still trumps Surfer in terms of raw power? Because helping to create a big bang is infinitely more impressive than creating a black hole, wouldn't you agree?
Well you're saying that since the Seekers survived it takes away from the blast's impressiveness. Basically what you said I would do in regards to the Supes/DS instance, it lowers Surfer's feat rather than simply qualifying as a really good feat for the Seekers.
Of course not, it's an quantifiable joint/group feat. Like Thor and Herc sealing a rift in space by punching each others fists from opposite ends of the portal Supes, WW, and MM moving the Spectre.
Because Seekers weren't shown to be that powerful. A weakened Firelord fought Ravenous to double KO.
While omega beams have some incredible showings in terms of power.
Hahaha, right. So creating a big bang in a group isn't more impressive than creating a black hole.
What you described are planetary feats. What Superman and the group did was at least universal level. Even you can't be this dumb to think Surfer creating a black hole is somehow more impressive because it was done alone.
Firing his energy alongside others towards an entity that then altered the energies with a chronal mix and then fired it all at something else?
How the hell do you even quantify that?
The fact that the energy from all of them were altered already puts a dent in claiming it was just HV that aided it
So if Mr A fires lightning, which is then completely altered by an entity to perform a feat,you're going to tell me that it was his lightning that performed said feat?
Whether you believe he created it intentionally or not,(despite nothing pointing to the former)
He merely discharged energy,which then resulted in black hole, he didn't outright form one like stardust, so either way,its an energy discharge that resulted in black hole, AKA a side effect