They try and make the motivation better...the fact that spiderman cauught the real killer did kinda mess up Eddies life but it's not spidermans fault for catching the right guy and proving eddies story false. The original idea for venoms motive (when he was gonna be a she) was much better, a mother wanting revenge against spiderman since her son died due to an error made by him but it was changed as most people know.
If he didn't wanna use him, he shouldn't have. S3 wasn't horrible, but Venom deserves to be done right or not done at all. I was really pissed when S3 1st came out, but it's not that bad about a year later.
The motivation may be weak, but it obviously was enough to push him over the edge. The more Venom appeared, the more we learn that Eddie was actually kind of loony even before he acquired the symbiote, so it's important to keep in mind that any sort of failure could be enough to make him crazy.
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Blimey it's been a while since I've made a post...anyway, you can't say Goblin is more evil than Doc Ock from the things he's done to Peter, Doc Ock has done plenty of evil things, just because they weren't aimed at Spidey every time dosen't make them any less evil.
I've said this many a time too, Green Goblin is Peter's worst enemy attacking his loved ones etc.
Doc Ock is Spidey's worst enemy, challenging the web head whenever he can, forcing him to unmask in front of new york or he would kill a senator (or something like that) and saving spidey from a virus just so he could keep on fighting him.
As for Venom, he's kind of in the middle, he trounces Spidey in the power set and stalks Peter, he has plenty of depth thanks to the moral code, but alot is taken away when you hear why he hates spidey. Venom is great ( I find him intresting, as eye candy and story wise) but he isn't like GG or Ock.
I also feel like Raimi really ruined Spider-Man 3 and I was hoping he'd have nothing to do with the fourth. Unfortunately he's on board. Meaning I wont go see the fourth opening day, and will probably wait for it on DVD. I don't ever see how this franchise could be redeemed after such a crappy third installment. I honestly couldn't believe how bad it was.
Spider-man three was bad because the studio force Venom into the mix. I doubt Sony is going to interfere with four to the same degree considering the fan outcry.
I agree with Rami, Venom is the archetypal 90's character that only exists to be "hardcore". There is very little to justify his existence, all he is good for is a good fight scene... and writing a movie around a fight scene isn't very compelling, it needs to be the other way around.
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If you count the 10 seconds Scarecrow showed up in The Dark Knight, you might want to start counting Bonesaw in Spider-man... they both had the same amount of importance to the story and screen time.
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I agree with Raimi as well. The entire concept of "Venom" is inherently weak imo. And yes he is liked because of his appearance and essentially his mirror of Spidey's powers...
well, in the movies, ock was the best, man he was so cool with the jacket no doubt about it. But in comics spidey doesn't really have a greatest foe, just people think ock, goblin and venom are the 3 perhaps archenemies of spidey.
And his humor, as well as his psychotic nature and well also he's that force the villain Spidey is truly frightened of, unlike other villains Venom just wants Spider-man dead, unlike the others who want him out the way so they can for instance rob a federal reserve, he's just a force who keeps going and keeps coming back, although they did make the character a bit more interesting then he already is, with the whole symbiotes feelings for Spidey angle.
Eddie's motivation isn't exactly great but I imagine that's due to the script change close to the characters first appearance. (Btw just to clarify I'm talking about the comic version of Venom here.)
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Well, I guess if that's what people like about them that's their perogative. I feel that being a stalker is a bit boring. Granted, being a bank robber or a world dominator (Like Vulture or somthin'), is weak too though imo. I prefer more psycological villains personally.
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