Ummm Thanos was losing but the fight didn't finish. Furthermore, you do understand there is still a bigger difference between 100+ and 80 and 100+ and 30. So, I really fail to see your point. If they were the same strength level you would have one but ummm they aren't even really close
Plus all this talk about Zuras fighting Zeus while impressive at a glance the fight was barely one panel while Thanos fight with Odin was a pretty extensive battle.
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- Damage to the enviroment means nothing. Thor could take apart a planet while killing Cyclops. Doesn't mean the battle is on a higher level. Means that one side of the fight caused destruction while tearing the other side a new hole.
- Tyrant could most likely defeat all those heralds, but he had hundreds of soldiers and robots diverting the team's attention. Tyrant was not on his own, and regardless of how strong his henchmen were, they made it very difficult for the team to form any kind of plan or strategy.
- And Zuras could most likely do that, seeing as he was actually able to AFFECT Zeus. Thanos couldn't even make Odin flinch.
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Mikaboshi was able to kill Zeus, and I wouldn't put him above Thanos...IMO, Odin is clearly above Zeus in the same way that Thor is clearly above Hercules.
Odin and Zeus are both supreme in their own pantheons. The difference between them is IN NO WAY similar to that of Hercules and Thor. Hercules isn't a full god. Zeus was able to shitstop Pluto relatively easy btw, in a similar manner to the way Odin disposed of Hela.
You've got nothing to base Odin > Zeus on, except the fact that we've seen Odin's limitations and strengths.
Mikaboshi, yet to see him or her lose a fight yet. Just because his powers aren't in the SUPA LAZA BEAMS! doesn't mean he's not strong.
Well not a lie, but partial untruth. Thanos was able to make the old man flinch...when he was giving his speech about power and title, (or something to that effect), the old man had to put up his arms to protect himself. Plus the fact that he needed to summon Gungnir to put Thanos away is an indication that he saw Thanos as a credible threat.
Well of course Odin has to employ his forcefields and actual powers in order to take hits. Otherwise Thor with Mjolnir would harm him. That much is obvious to anyone with a brain.
It also happens to be like the very first time Odin has ever used gungnir. And it's not exactly Mjolnir, without Odin gungnir doesn't do anything. It's not something everybody can pick up and then shoot the infinite lazers of death.
Nor does it indicate that Odin NEEDED Gungnir, it only means that he chose to use it because he thought the fight would end quicker. Thor can kill The Thing physically, he doesn't NEED Mjolnir to win. He might however, use Mjolnir because it's much easier, much safer, etc.
Anybody who actually thinks that Thanos was a THREAT to Odin certainly needs to reread the comic. And perhaps realize that the fight took place in the Adam Warlock series, well known for having its lips around Thanos' penis. When Thanos fails to even SCRATCH Odin in such a comic, then perhaps it's time to realize that Thanos is truly outclassed.
I think the point here is that a short fight between Zuras and Zeus isn't anywhere conclusive enough to place the former firmly in skyfather class, especially as his other showings haven't exactly set the world on fire. While I think that Zuras would take a slight majority, it's a fair enough point from where I stand, and I would like to see more of what Zuras was capable of.
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Ummm guys, didn't Mikaboshi just kill off one of the heads of the Skrull pantheon and annex it? And prior to that, most of the japanese pantheon had to put him in yomi to imprison him, IIRC.
Kris, how many pantheons does Mikaboshi control by proxy now?
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Zuras is another example of a extremely powerful hero with next to no feats. Hes considered to be the top eternal; and above thanos but to date dosent have the feats to back it up. Going with thanos on this one.
The difference between 100+ and 80 and 100+ and 30 is VIRTUALLY NOTHING. Thor is capable of supporting the weight of half a ****ing planet and if Thanos is around as strong as him, then whether someone is 20, 30, 50 or 90 doesn't make a ****ing difference since it's capable of lifting 100 ish tons versus capable of lifting millions. 30 and 50 are a ****load closer than 100+ and 80 in most cases.
The point, which flew over your head is that physical strength and handbook class means absolutely nothing in fights like these. You think that if Odin was naturally a class 30 he could not beat Thanos even though he has the Odinforce?
Zuras stalemated some of Zeus' energy beams. It's more than Pluto can muster and many others. That's all there is to this discussion, the rest is speculation.
Incorrect. There is a huge difference between 30 & 100+ which is actually more then 3 times as strong. Now 80 to 100+ well a lot closer in terms of strength. They have those classes for a reason not just to throw out random numbers. While a class 30 is still pretty damn strong nad if he has the powers that Zuras has added to his strength he's a worth foe no doubt. The point i was making is that if Thanos engaged Odin the way he did physcially and Odin was a 30 that backhand wouldn't have had the same effect and Thanos could have taken him h2h. The fact is Odin is pretty close to thanos and thus it could affect him along with Odin's other vast powers and amping.
Furthmore, what about Zuras fight with Zeus has you convinced of anything. Show me where it says or shown Zeus is going all out or tying to kill Zuras. It doesn't. It's more like a like squabble that is broken up quickly. Add to that the fight only last 1 panel so what exactly was proven with that. Thanos battle with Odin lasted page after page with Odin's words and actions speaking towards Thanos benig a worth adversary and wanting to Kill him. The same can't be said for the Zuras Zeus fight. So, while I get your point the fact is that Thanos is a lot stronger then Zuras and I see nothing that Zuras has done that would lead me to believe he could put down Thanos. Who has Zuras beaten in a one v one fight that is equal to or greater then Thanos. I will await this info.
You seem to have a lot of trouble with this really simple math.
Class 30 means you lift 30 tons.
Class 80 means you lift 80 tons.
Class 100+ means you lift in excess of 100 tons.
Thor can apparently lift thousands and thousands of tons. Since he and Thanos are relatively equal, we assume that Thanos can lift as much as he can.
50 000 tons vs 30 tons
50 000 tons vs 80 tons
They're both absolute stomps in the strength department. Yet somehow, despite being able to lift 49 920 tons more than Odin, Thanos was not able to do anything to him. Do you think the difference is the 50 tons Odin has over Zuras? Or the ****ing all-poweful magic that houses his body?
Think on this for a second and then spend the weekend trying to decide whether or not how much you are able to lift makes any difference at all in a battle like this.
My only point which is valid is it not being about the ranking/class system that decides this fight. I already mentioned Zuras other powers make him a worth foe. However, don't you think if Odin was only a class 30 compared to class 80 Thanos would've probably done better in the h2h department. I'm not talking about lifting and never mentioned any such thing. I'm talking about strength difference in terms of h2h combat when things get physical. Your assuming it won't but that doesn't mean it won't and that is where the difference in strength will come into play.
I also like how you avoided my questions in terms of showing me panels where it says Zeus was going all out or even trying to kill Zuras? So, it's speculation and not really that impressive considering it doesn't look like he was going even close to all out and it lasted 1 page. While Thanos and Odin... Odin makes direct references a few times to wanting to kill thanos, him being a worthy foe and it lasted page after page. Yet the battle you use to say Zuras wins is one page against a zeus he really didn't seem that interested in fighting along with Zuras. So, again what feats or foes has Zuras fought and won that you give him this victory over Thanos? What durability feats does he has that you believe he can take what Thanos can dish out? What output of power against which foes give you the idea he can put down Thanos? So, this time try addressing these questions as to you Zuras wins and easily and your basing this on Zuras vs. Zeus...
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