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Question - Did the New Star Trek Movie Ruin the Old Storyline?

Did the New Star Trek Movie Ruin the Old Storyline? What I mean is...Ever since the original series, there has been an ongoing storyline or history all the way up to Star Trek Voyager. So since the movie was a reboot of the original show, and it rewrote the origin of the Captain Kirk and his crew. Does that mean the stories of TNG, DS9, and Voyager have been erased? And all we're left with is Star Trek Enterprise?!! Maybe I'm wrong, someone please explain.

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Unless JJAbrams has broken into your house and stolen everything that had to do with the original universe you'd have to be an idiot to claim the only universe has been "ruined" by the new one.


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It's an alternate reality, like the mirror universe. The prime universe still exists.


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It's an alternate reality, like the mirror universe. The prime universe still exists.


Agreed, and if they want to they could still go back in time and set things right and make it the same as the time line we all know.
or they could be free to just make other movies without worrying what is suppose to happen or start a whole new series exploring strange new worlds..........now that would be cool and i'm sure we would all tune in for that one.


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Unless JJAbrams has broken into your house and stolen everything that had to do with the original universe you'd have to be an idiot to claim the only universe has been "ruined" by the new one.


Geez! I was asking a damn question... Normally when comic books or Hollywood do a reboot of something it normally means that they are starting over. Ever heard of Batman Begins?!

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Originally posted by Kinneary
It's an alternate reality, like the mirror universe. The prime universe still exists.


Ok Cool! Thanks

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There's too many fans of the old universes for them to get rid of them that's why this had to be an alternative universe.

Because in all likelyhood no matter how popular this new franchise is it will never reach the peak of fandom the old ones have acquired.

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Geez! I was asking a damn question... Normally when comic books or Hollywood do a reboot of something it normally means that they are starting over. Ever heard of Batman Begins?!


true, but with something like batman it is far easier to accept a reboot cause it is still the same premise. in Tim Burtons batman we learn of his origons and he fights the joker, in batman returns he fights catwoman and penguin
in batman begins we learn of his origions and he fights scarecrow
and in dark knight he fights joker. the movies were revamped for the 21st century.
But with star trek they have 40 years of TV shows and Movies that they would have to take into account, but since they did it this way with the alternate timeline they are free to do what they want from now on, without ramifications in the original series and on.
That was the beauty of the new movie, All of the time in star trek TV and movies the universe is the same at the end of the show as it is in the beginning, even thought it got messed up 15min into it.
but this new one the don't go back and fix it.


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true, but with something like batman it is far easier to accept a reboot cause it is still the same premise. in Tim Burtons batman we learn of his origons and he fights the joker, in batman returns he fights catwoman and penguin
in batman begins we learn of his origions and he fights scarecrow
and in dark knight he fights joker. the movies were revamped for the 21st century.
But with star trek they have 40 years of TV shows and Movies that they would have to take into account, but since they did it this way with the alternate timeline they are free to do what they want from now on, without ramifications in the original series and on.
That was the beauty of the new movie, All of the time in star trek TV and movies the universe is the same at the end of the show as it is in the beginning, even thought it got messed up 15min into it.
but this new one the don't go back and fix it.


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true, but with something like batman it is far easier to accept a reboot cause it is still the same premise. in Tim Burtons batman we learn of his origons and he fights the joker, in batman returns he fights catwoman and penguin
in batman begins we learn of his origions and he fights scarecrow
and in dark knight he fights joker. the movies were revamped for the 21st century.
But with star trek they have 40 years of TV shows and Movies that they would have to take into account, but since they did it this way with the alternate timeline they are free to do what they want from now on, without ramifications in the original series and on.
That was the beauty of the new movie, All of the time in star trek TV and movies the universe is the same at the end of the show as it is in the beginning, even thought it got messed up 15min into it.
but this new one the don't go back and fix it.


Well Kinneary's answer was understood. But I don't agree with you when you say it was easier to reboot Batman. Batman was created in 1938, 71 years of history! You got years of Comic Books, Graphic Novels, TV. Cartoons, Movies and more to add to the history of Batman. Batman Begins was a reboot - it was meant to forget the previous movies. After all the tag line for the movie was "Forget what you've seen, Batman Begins". The Incredible Hulk did the same thing. It erased the first Hulk movie. Batman is the same premise but so is Star Trek, so I don't see your point.

Anyways, Kinneary answered my question, but thanks anyways!

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Geez! I was asking a damn question... Normally when comic books or Hollywood do a reboot of something it normally means that they are starting over. Ever heard of Batman Begins?!


batman begins didn't invalidate the burton movies, or the shumacher ones, though. not imo, anyways.


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Well Kinneary's answer was understood. But I don't agree with you when you say it was easier to reboot Batman. Batman was created in 1938, 71 years of history! You got years of Comic Books, Graphic Novels, TV. Cartoons, Movies and more to add to the history of Batman. Batman Begins was a reboot - it was meant to forget the previous movies. After all the tag line for the movie was "Forget what you've seen, Batman Begins". The Incredible Hulk did the same thing. It erased the first Hulk movie. Batman is the same premise but so is Star Trek, so I don't see your point.

Anyways, Kinneary answered my question, but thanks anyways!

I said it was easier to accept a reboot of batman (for the fans to accept it)
My point was that STAR TREK from start in 1966 to present has always tried to take into account previous shows and movies and even books i think. So with this new prequel they created an alternate time line so now they don't have to worry.
Where as Batman has had multiple entires in comics and movies so it is easier for the fans to accept the reboot.
So no the new Star trek did not ruin the old story line even though it is a reboot, because they created the alternate time line.


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Re: Question - Did the New Star Trek Movie Ruin the Old Storyline?

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Did the New Star Trek Movie Ruin the Old Storyline? What I mean is...Ever since the original series, there has been an ongoing storyline or history all the way up to Star Trek Voyager. So since the movie was a reboot of the original show, and it rewrote the origin of the Captain Kirk and his crew. Does that mean the stories of TNG, DS9, and Voyager have been erased? And all we're left with is Star Trek Enterprise?!! Maybe I'm wrong, someone please explain.


Erased? No. They are now separate, and anything can happen in the new Star Trek world.


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I hate to be one of the few people who rain on the parade but I think JJ Abrams blew it. Once again we have a Star Trek story line involving time travel (this time by the Romulans). When I heard he was taking over the franchise I had high hopes but now I'm disappointed. I was hoping to see the "historical record" of how Kirk took over from Pike but instead i got a rewrite of Trek history. Don't get me wrong, I've been a Trek fan since the 70's but doesn't any Trek movie involve going to a new planet and finding something strange and otherworldly instead of, ho-hum, fighting the Klingons, Borg, Romulans, etc? Well that's my opinion and I know a new generation of fans won't agree but I wanted to see the fantastic and I got the mundane...

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So long as this new time ends up with Wesley Crusher never being born then i'm fine with it.


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So long as this new time ends up with Wesley Crusher never being born then i'm fine with it.


What do you have against Wesley Crusher? mad



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Wesley does suck ass. The character itself was obtuse and boring. I think even Wil Wheaton has said that he didn't like Wesley either.


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So long as this new time ends up with Wesley Crusher never being born then i'm fine with it.
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Wesley does suck ass. The character itself was obtuse and boring. I think even Wil Wheaton has said that he didn't like Wesley either.


he did. he regularly rants about how shit wesley was...


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