KMC Forums - Hollow Ichigo vs Zaraki Kenpachi

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Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Nah.

You do realise Kenpachi cannot, and has never, actually flexed his reitsu right? He has little real control over it in such a way, although he is getting better. Regardless, it is irrelevant, the clash or Reitsu between Kenny and Ichigo were far more powerful, and by simple logic, Kenpachi has greater Reitsu.

Because Kenpachi was not sent flying by his assumed superior strength? Faulty logic. You are using circular reasoning, we should believe that Sajin is stronger because he is? Kenpachi has not a single lifting feat, he did however hold back two captains, swinging with both hands, with a single hand on his sword, shit, they even express their shock that he did it, why would Sajin express shock if he was holding back? He then manhandled Komamura. And what is up with this Judo throw bullcrap? He blocked his attack, then he grabbed his wrist and slammed Sajin. I cannot believe this argument, based on a single lifting feat, we should just accept Sajin is stronger, even though we have SEEN Kenpachi overpower him? Bullshit, by that logic because Superman has superior lifting feats, he is stronger than Doomsday even though Doomsday has manhandled him. Oh, and by the way, Aizen is stronger than Sajin as well. He caught Sajin's sword with one hand.

It looked like he was flexing it at Ichigo when Ichigo came upon them.

And, if he did not know how to NOT flex it, people all around him and in his squad 11 would be collapsing.

Sajin would express shock for teh plots, obviously. It was to build up Kenpachi. Also, Sajin was mos def holding back. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Remember, if he wasn't holding back, he would have launched Kenpachi straight down through the building.

And, yes, it looked like Kenpachi used Sajin's large size and strength against him with a throw that looked almost like Judo.

And, no, Kenpachi did NOT overpower Sajin. He didn't even knock him back. He lifted him over himself, similar to a Judo throw. He used Sajin's size and the fact that he was leaning over at Kenpachi as a way to quickly flip Sajin.

Yeah. Aizen doesn't count in any of this. lol

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Originally posted by NemeBro
2. That's nice. Kenpachi still overpowered Sajin in their fight, which proves he is stronger. There is no debating this, you are wrong, deal with it.

No He didn't overpower Sajin. Not at all. He blocked an attack and then flipped him overhimself. There's no debating this. You are wrong. smile

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Originally posted by NemeBro
3. Which did nothing...Unlike Kenpachi and Ichigo's bust of reitsu which destroyed the many surrounding buildings.

Although now that I think of it...You're wrong.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/113/14-15/

It did?

You do know that you're just...weirdly wrong here, right?

You do know that it was the clash of their respective energies that caused it and not them flexing it, right? It was an energy and reiatesu shockwave, bro. erm

Now, if you actually have an example of someone flexing their Reiatesu and destroying the ground around them, feel free to post that.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
For emphasis, this is how large a single one of those buildings is.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/113/06/

This is what I assume you mean with the Reitsu from the Byakuya and Ichigo fight.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/166/19/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/167/01/

Yup. Much bigger clash and much bigger shock wave.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
Entire hill my ass, it was only in two directions, and was not very large or vast. Not to mention the lack of any damage.

WTF!?!?!?!?!?

DUDE! You're blind as Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k!

GTFO wit dat rediculousness.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
For the sake of compromise, I would be willing to say they are equal in size, but the Byakuya and Ichigo reitsu effect was not larger.

No. They are not even close. We are talking the hill one is large by a factor of 5 or 10 on size.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
...Dude. We know Aizen's is stronger, since it subdued even the Sixth Espada, who is on par with Hollow Ichigo, Yamamoto's flex was able to rob Nanao of air, Ulquiorra's was so heavy it was described as being barely comparable to reitsu at all, and Kenpachi's power as a captain is due to his reitsu.

Well Toshiro's was known to freeze people, reitsu can have an element.

Indeed.