Why does it matter that there is a physical creation in the void now? The point is that it is entirely separate from another multiverse, thus he could logically BFR CK there just as the heroes did. Simple.
How does Lucifer die? What singular opponent did CK overcome that was even remotely close to his level?
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If
a) the fight takes place in Yahweh's multiverse, Lucifer gets wrecked as CK eats his entire multiverse then has Lucifer for dessert.
b) the fight takes place in Lucifer's creation, Lucifer gets wrecked as CK eats his entire creation then has Lucifer for dessert.
Lucifer hasn't created anything impressive at all under his own power. He's not creating an entire universe separate and outside any multiverse to BFR CK in (assuming he's even capable of doing it, SuperGod Herc did it because he had help).
He devoured 98.75% of the Marvel MULTIVERSE. We saw him on panel annihilate entire pantheons not just on Earth but across the universe/multiverse.
Lucifer hasn't done jack crap that's comparable to that on panel. CK rips off his wings then BBQs that limp wristed punk. CK wins.
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so, is there actual proof that ck absorbed the TRUE multiverse? i mean is there proof that he absorbed alternate versions of 616 and the realms/realities/dimensions that make them up?
Evidently you are not following. All Lucifer needs to do is BFR CK to a realm completely separate/cut-off from the one he's in(Lucifer DOES have access to such realms, remember), and he wins.
He consumed the multiverse over time, certainly not in one fell swoop.
And I ask again: what singular character did CK consume that was on par with peak Lucifer?
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Uhm, no. Where is this Void outside the multiverse? It sure isn't Lucifer's creation because it's not a Void anymore. It's not Yahweh's creation because it's not a void.
He consumed it over time because he was sidetracked killing entire PANTHEONS across creation.
What has Lucifer done to put him in that league powerwise? Who was the most powerful person Lucifer has defeated to make you think he wouldn't get annihilated by CK.
What were "Peak" Lucifer's best fights and feats? I'll wait.
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(a)
and (b) didn't thor hurt ck with a lightning bolt.....? and didn't lucifer, simply by arriving, destroy the mansions of silence? these were a variety of different dimensions iirc. they couldn't even support his presence--he destroyed them just by being there.....
Again, you're not getting it. It doesn't matter that it isn't a void. It matters that it is completely apart from Yahweh's creation. Once BFR'd there it doesn't matter if CK can continue absorbing Lucifer's creation, because he'd effectively be beaten via BFR... Just like he was before.
And this changes what, exactly? He still required a good deal of time to consume the multiverse.
Molding the raw power of GOD into a physical multiverse. Effortlessly.
Tanking a multiversal big bang. Without a scratch.
And I ask for a 3rd(and final) time: what singular character did CK consume that was on par with peak Lucifer? If you avoid this question again, I'll keep assuming that he didn't destroy a Lucifer-level being.
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That mainstream Multiverse consists of separate sets of infinite universeS,
each set is an infinite # of universeS of a certain type (eg. 2+ to 6+ Dimensions)
then there are infinite sets of other types (eg. below 2 to above 6+ Dimensions) and so on.
It's not just separate long row of the same,
there's also an infinity of Alternate Worlds, another infinity of Parallel Worlds waiting to diverge.
Then there are infinite Pockets-universes.
All this withIN the mainstream trans-infinite Marvel Multiverse.
So ie. There are groupings of infinite universes within the mainstream multiverse.
Universe 616, is just one single Reality in this madness.
Lucifer tanked Michael's demiurgic energies point blank. The same energies that were repeatedly stated to be sufficient to destroy all creation. And enough of this "Lucifer was created to do that" shit. He was created to be powerful enough to do it, it's not some bullshit rule rule God made up that the Demiurgic energy can't hurt him. If you and Quan want to make that claim, you better back it up with (nonexistent) proof.
He warped those energies into a multiverse, and as Galan said, did so effortlessly. He created, from scratch, and specifically just because he felt like it, concepts such as time and physics. Now, if Marvel's Eternity is time and Infinity is space, and both of those are equal to Oblivion (who is > CK), then Lucifer created equivalents from nothing with a casual wave of his hand.
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^^^i'll not get into that debate again, but suffice to say i disagree with that.
@zop: so he didn't really absorb the multiverse in a traditional (ie absorbing all the alternates) sense. he basically, over time, absorbed outer dimensions, not even 616, by gaining power to overthrow these random dimensions? which was the most prominent dimension he overthrew before herc returned 'reality' (whatever da phuck dat means....) to normal?
galan's point has never been addressed. who DID ck beat, on paper, who was worth a damn? pretty sure, even if thor caught lucifer off guard, it would mean....less than nothing.
when ck's power is such that he can collapse entire dimensions just by entering them, MAYBE we can compare the 2. as for who has he beaten? well, michael for one.....not too mention he scared the holy crap out of morpheus who was shown to be able to scare the holy crap out of the heads of the pantheons--pretty much all of them, at the same time. you'll say: and? to which i'll re-ask galan's question WHO DID CK BEAT WHO WAS WORTH ANYTHING?
^ The most prominent outer dimensions I recall CK consuming on panel were Nightmare's realm and Hell. I also believe that the most powerful beings he consumed were found in these realms as well(Nightmare and Satan, namely.)
Were they even remotely close to Lucifer's level? Christ no.
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