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"McClane Luck Factor"
If a KMC Movie Versus thread happened to have John McClane, of the Die Hard franchise involved, is this applicable as a "feat"? I can understand if this was Jason Bourne, where he tactically analyzes every part of his environment to resourcefully excogitiate some ingenious plan. But "being in the right place at the right time" is just that. Nothing about it is inherently based on the hero, so the feat is not theirs no? They didn't plan it. It just happened to be there. That happens to every movie character, and not just action heroes. So I'm simply bringing the validity of this "feat".
Saying "luck" is dismissing of his other known power-set, his insane on-the-fly resourcefulness, eg using a Ford to take out a flying helicopter, cos you know, he "ran out of bullets."
Gender: Male Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan
McClane had absolutely no idea that the car would catch on fire and he would have to evacuate it, and he showed no knowledge that he was intending for the car to drive up the toll booth. So does that apply as "his" feat?
He used a fire-hydrant to take out one of the shooters, that's on-the-fly resourcefulness to superhuman levels.
Are you suggesting he just got in the car and decided to just drive away; this was his initial plan. Then it caught fire and it just happened to launch off the booth and crash into the chopper? LoL
Clearly it was his intention from the start to use the car as a missile, the fire wasn't, but it's not like he needed the car to be on fire to take out the chopper with it. Saying otherwise is just downplaying.
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So if the helicopter had happened to move (and when McClane enacted his plan, he had no chance of knowing that) and the car did a massive "airball", then what? He didn't plan that out. Nothing implies that he did
Even if the helicopter had managed to move, it'd still be ****ing impressive feat, lauching a Ford off a tollbooth like a missile.
You know why it didn't move though, cos no one would think that feat possible, he completely caight the pilot by surprise. McClane does the impossible though, on a daily basis.
If he didn't plan for it to happen, why did he then drive towards the toll booth?
If he thought he'd simply smash through it and avoid a chopper directly above him then that doen't make any sense. He'd be mowed down by machine gun fire or driving around aimlessly trying to shake it off - neither scenarios would help either himself or Farrell.
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Well a few scenes later (or before can't remember), a F35 pilot does this
He has no logical reason for flying under a falling overpass, instead of just flying overhead where the truck was trapped. This scenario does not himself at all. But he does it anyway. This, along with Simon needlessly allowing McClane to live and giving him evidence, and Karl not shooting him in the face when he had the chance, just brings me to the conclusion that the people of the Die Hard-verse are ****ing retards who do shit for no logical reason
Well the plane flying under the overpass is just the way the story went, you can't say it was done to benefit McClane. Your other examples are typical of every action movie or tv show out there where the villain keeps the hero alive and monologues so that's also got nothing to do with only McClane.
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So if one person does something illogical, it be explained as "just the way the story went", but if another does something else illogical, then it's because they had some brilliant plan, despite the fact that it also can easily be "just the way the story went".
See that's what I like about guys like Bauer and Bourne. They make their own luck and don't have to wait to plot convenient circumstances to bail them out when their reckless behavior fails them horribly
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He's so incompetent needs assistance from the laws of physics them self? WOW. That is just a whole new level of fail
(And not applicable in a versus thread, so if this is what "The McClane Factor" is, just luck, which any action hero, from Indy to Bond to even Bauer himself have exhibited on SOME occassions (when their SKILL can't take them that extra inch), and no skill at all, then McClane loses essentially every fight he's in)
Now we're getting to the reason this thread was made...don't tell me through 8 seasons Bauer never caught a lucky break (and lets not forget Bauer had CTU resources to call upon), and Bourne spends his whole time running away from his enemies, yeah, complete hard asses without any luck at all to help them.
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