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AVP - Something I have been wondering...

AVP. Now, I am expecting a lot of sensless bashing, but that will be ignored.

After watching it again recently, I couldn't help thinking that I wouldn't mind if the setting and time were changed, but the film essentially stayed the same the way it is in terms of plot and everything else.

For instance, set in the future on an iceworld with Space Marines, but essentially stayed the same otherwise. cool

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The problem with the AvP movies is that they always have to shoe horn in a human angle in order so that the audience have someone to relate to...It's not an entirely bad but in this case it doesn't work...There's plenty of examples where it does...The difference between the original Star Wars films and the prequel films is that the original had Luke Skywalker....the relatable character...The prequel trilogy doesn't have anyone.

But for an AvP film I'd be much happier watching a film with absolutely no dialogue and purely have Aliens and Predators tearing the living shit out each other in exceptionally cool and yellow and green gory bloody ways.


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The problem with the AvP movies is that they always have to shoe horn in a human angle in order so that the audience have someone to relate to.


Same deal with the Comics & Games.


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Stick to video games if you want hours of AVP entertainment with no sounds but explosions and the screams of alien dialogue. No one is going to spend a hundred million dollars on a film with no human characters or dialogue; the AVP army isn't big enough to make it profitable.


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Stick to video games if you want hours of AVP entertainment with no sounds but explosions and the screams of alien dialogue. No one is going to spend a hundred million dollars on a film with no human characters or dialogue; the AVP army isn't big enough to make it profitable.


Wall-E had a budget of $180m and barely has a word spoken.

If it's done right, Whatever the genre, it can work.


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Stick to video games if you want hours of AVP entertainment with no sounds but explosions and the screams of alien dialogue. No one is going to spend a hundred million dollars on a film with no human characters or dialogue; the AVP army isn't big enough to make it profitable.


Well in one way I agree but in another I don't. I think it could be difficult to follow with no dialogue but then if you watched Predator with the mute button on you'd still get the general idea through the direction of the film (storyboarding plays a key part in that), body language and other tips. You're spot on in terms of appeal with respect to actors you won't ever see, just look at them removing masks/helmets all the time in CBMs.

For it to work you may need a human element to get it running - explain the situation, then remove the human element and through direction and other visual clues the message of the film could progress. If that doesn't work entirely on it's own then simply overlay subtitles over creatures sounds but don't do it in a corny way. Remember the scene in AVP2 where the Pred is tracking down, hunting and removing traces of the Aliens - that scene had no dialogue and it was clear what was happening.

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If they had actually stuck with the "Cowboys in Space" Orginal Story and its tone I think AVP could have been a great movie,but the powers that be Cheaped it up and made a classic turd of it.


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I stick to the video games to enjoy the AVP entertainment because it has no explosion and noise in it.

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Originally posted by jaden101
Wall-E had a budget of $180m and barely has a word spoken.



WALL-E himself was our human stand-in; he was capable of greater feeling and perception than almost all of the selfish human chacaters that came later. The film was also set on Earth so it's all about humans and our legacy.

You are not going to see an AVP movie where either race is standing in for us and giving us someone to identify with.


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No one is going to spend a hundred million dollars on a film with no human characters or dialogue; the AVP army isn't big enough to make it profitable.


Well apart from the human characters, Mel Gibson directed 2 marketable films that was completely told in a different dialect...

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Well apart from the human characters, Mel Gibson directed 2 marketable films that was completely told in a different dialect...


To watch one movie that was, in essence, pornography for the devout Christian. The second one made much less impact.


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Originally posted by jaden101
Wall-E had a budget of $180m and barely has a word spoken.

If it's done right, Whatever the genre, it can work.
At least half of the entire movie involved being on a giant ship filled with walking, talking humans. One of the major characters in the film, the Captain, was a talking human.

Anyway, I agree with Rider. The human element is important if you want "the general public" to be interested.

While "too many ****ing humans" is certainly a valid criticism, the problem goes deeper than the human issue. The problem is more of how the humans are portrayed.

In the first AvP, the humans were relatively well-written but the xenos suffered from lack of attention. 2 out of the three predators were killed within 5 minutes of each other, and the remaining one was basically less than a sub-plot.

In AvP:R we had the opposite problem. There was a large plot surrounding the lone badass Predator and the aliens, but the humans were all ****ing annoying, terrible little bratty teenagers, which detracted from the film.

A good AvP movie needs to have a human protagonist on the level as Lexi (the black chick from AvP1, who I honestly enjoyed, she was decently attractive, and pretty capable considering the circumstances) or the crew from Predators (minus Morpheus and Trejo lol) mixed with the same "it's personal" level of predator/alien intensity that we saw in AvP:R... minus the retardo predalien sub-plot.


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AVP film could be done and done well without a single human. They'd just need to give the Predator's more depth.

I'd actually not mind seeing that and I'd insist they use subtitles when the Predator's talk instead of spoken English.


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AVP film could be done and done well without a single human. They'd just need to give the Predator's more depth.

I'd actually not mind seeing that and I'd insist they use subtitles when the Predator's talk instead of spoken English.


The main problem is that a Predator movie is typically marketed to the teen/ young adult audience.

No matter how spectacular the action would be, the audience is going to get bored & restless if subtitles were used...especially a Friday or Saturday night screening.

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AVP film could be done and done well without a single human. They'd just need to give the Predator's more depth.

I'd actually not mind seeing that and I'd insist they use subtitles when the Predator's talk instead of spoken English.


And good luck getting a studio to fund something like that. It would have to be very low budget and probably animated or something. Then it MIGHT could happen..


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Yeah like it hasn't worked well before in other mediums.......


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Yeah like it hasn't worked well before in other mediums.......


Ok I'll bite....what other mediums are you talking about?

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And good luck getting a studio to fund something like that. It would have to be very low budget and probably animated or something. Then it MIGHT could happen..


When people go see an AVP film, they go for the draw of Predators and Aliens; preferably going at each other and explosions and shit happening. They don't go for the great human leads.

So I don't see why not.


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When people go see an AVP film, they go for the draw of Predators and Aliens; preferably going at each other and explosions and shit happening. They don't go for the great human leads.

So I don't see why not.


Hey, I agree. I think it could be a very interesting, experimental piece. But I don't think studios see it that way. Without a strong human element it's not going to have mass appeal.


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