Where is anyone saying this in the scientific community, instead of just internet trolls? I mean, really, are we going to care about any claims made by laymen. The media is responsible for the "God particle" label more so than any scientist anyway. Your gripe would be legitimate if the claims were coming from a reputable source.
Because I'm sure somewhere, as you mentioned, there's a Christian minister going on about how the atheist claims of the God particle mean nothing to faith, and he's just as uninformed about the situation. But neither is worth listening to. Only difference, as I see it, is that internet armchair atheists don't speak for the scientific community. But priests, who are just as ill-equipped to comment on this discovery, do speak for large sections of the religious community.
More generally, we're pretty damn close even before this to being able to say the universe definitely needs no outside creator to be in existence and function as it does. While this isn't a blow to faith in general, it's a sharp blow to many of the claims made by religions and their holy texts. We once had to appeal to the unknown to explain large aspects of our existence. We no longer need to do so.
They're contentious, not necessarily false. I don't agree with Sym's overall statements either, though I reframed them in perhaps more acceptable terms, but we have to be cautious in our statements.
The article discussing this on the New York Times' home page--an article with the tagline "Discovery of Particle Could Redefine Physical World" is the second article...
...after an article with the tagline "Midwest’s Heat Dashes Hopes for a Bumper Crop of Corn"
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All the talk about it doing anything for theism is ridiculous. Nothing that comes out of this will prove that there is or isn't a God, thousands of gods, or nothing at all but the matter that is the Universe.
Why can't people just enjoy science for science's sake anymore? =p
This seems to be a bit of a red herring. Outside of, say, idiotic facebook news feeds, I haven't seen anyone associated with this discovery try to make any claims about theism.
Hell, Fox News' coverage of this mentions that the physicists involved don't refer to it as a God particle.
...making something out of nothing. No one who matters in this discussion is doing anything but enjoying the science.
I think you missed the part in my post where I said:
"WTF is it with the internet trolling from idiot atheists...."
I do not see how the "scientific community" has anything to do with my point, whatsoever. My statement was not about the viewpoint of the scientific community: it was about idiots who call themselves "atheists" and rage on the internet at the "Christf*gs".
I have a very large problem with that notion. All it is doing is moving the problem to a situation opposte of "God of the Gaps"...but still shifting it to a 'gap' explanation.
I do not know if there is a label for it so I will make one: "The godless of the gaps."
Those ideas simply choose to ignore the fact that those "rules" that created the universe on their own, exist.
I agree, here.
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Yes. That was my exact argument.
I think it was a reference to the first hominid species showing up around that time and it took 2 million years to reach where we are. Then...we "discovered" the Higgs Boson.
I do not think it was a statement about evolution only taking 2 years. I guess you thought was trying to say something akin to "medium-aged earth creationists"? lol
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Think about radiation...It took almost 50 between discovery and application and it's something that is still evolving now.
Theoretical applications of being able to manipulate Higgs-Boson is that you would be able to change the interia of products. Changing the mass of matter would be staggering.
I'm not all that good at physics and so the eventual harnessing, manipulation and application of HB is way out of my understanding.
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