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I didn't say he lacks Leadership.

I said he lacks the Leadership Feats of the other two.
Feats- as in on-panel tactician Feats that occur during comic book encounters.

I'm not knocking Panther's ability to lead a country or a tribe.

I'm only saying that Steve and Bruce have more Feats with leading a Super Team with mixed individual personalities.

Country Leadership is very different than direct team combat leadership.


it is very different, however t'challa has still been in a commanding position of super humans, seeing as wakanda has plenty of meta humans itself. seeing as the thread asks who is the better strategist, i would assume the one who consistently strategizes with more pieces on the board would be superior.

moreover, there's a reason steve was kicked out of the illuminati, it's because his perspective is limited.

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If given any amount of time during battle Batman is IMO the best especially when clearly outmatched

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If given any amount of time during battle Batman is IMO the best especially when clearly outmatched
have you read any of the black panther's books before?

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Y is Cyclops not listed


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Y is Cyclops not listed


Cyke would be below Panther and above Spidey imo.


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Cyke would be below Panther and above Spidey imo.


Cyke has lead the xmen for years he arguably second to Steve and far better than Bruce. Matter of fact I'd put Grayson ahead of Wayne any day


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It's between Panther and Batman


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1.)Steve
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have you read any of the black panther's books before?


You have your opinion I have mine

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Cyke has lead the xmen for years he arguably second to Steve and far better than Bruce. Matter of fact I'd put Grayson ahead of Wayne any day


How is he better than Bruce?

Cyke has led the Xmen for years, while also under the direct instruction of Xavier. The Xmen have had TONS of mutinies over the years. I'm not knocking Scott or his experience, but he doesn't compare to Tchalla who leads an entire nation and has learned more indepth battle tactics over a longer period of time.

Also Grayson < Bruce


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You have your opinion I have mine


it's just a question, have you read them before??

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When it comes to team leading, Nightwing, Steve and Cyclops would have the edge over Batman imo. Steve and Nightwing have already been acknowledged as superior and I put Cyclops right up there. If he was written less emotional at times (Such as during AvX but he was still matching Steve's leadership IIRC) I personally wouldn't mind him being a smidgeon better in terms of team strategy in comparison to Steve (Who has the tactical edge).

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How is he better than Bruce?

Cyke has led the Xmen for years, while also under the direct instruction of Xavier. The Xmen have had TONS of mutinies over the years. I'm not knocking Scott or his experience, but he doesn't compare to Tchalla who leads an entire nation and has learned more indepth battle tactics over a longer period of time.


What? It's true for most of his teenage years, Xavier directed the X-men but when in the field or creating strategies, Cyclops was on point very soon into their history.

Doesn't compare to T'Challa? erm Common. Leading a people and in-depth battle tactics has been a defining part of Scott's repertoire for the last decade. Arguably more so then anyone else.


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When it comes to team leading, Nightwing, Steve and Cyclops would have the edge over Batman imo. Steve and Nightwing have already been acknowledged as superior and I put Cyclops right up there. If he was written less emotional at times (Such as during AvX but he was still matching Steve's leadership IIRC) I personally wouldn't mind him being a smidgeon better in terms of team strategy in comparison to Steve (Who has the tactical edge).



What? It's true for most of his teenage years, Xavier directed the X-men but when in the field or creating strategies, Cyclops was on point very soon into their history.

Doesn't compare to T'Challa? erm Common. Leading a people and in-depth battle tactics has been a defining part of Scott's repertoire for the last decade. Arguably more so then anyone else.
Not moreso than T'Challa who has been doing it since he's been a character. Moreover he led a country that has never been defeated in battle. Can't say the same for Utopia. Cyclops is good but he isn't nearly as smart as T'Challa and he used his fellow mutants as pawns. He's good for an immediate win, but after each battle you could see him losing his people.

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Not moreso than T'Challa who has been doing it since he's been a character. Moreover he led a country that has never been defeated in battle. Can't say the same for Utopia. Cyclops is good but he isn't nearly as smart as T'Challa and he used his fellow mutants as pawns. He's good for an immediate win, but after each battle you could see him losing his people.


thumb up great post

And not just that, but this is "who is he best STRATEGIST during combat" / NOT "who inspires most to follow them" otherwise Superman should be on here too.


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How is he better than Bruce?

Cyke has led the Xmen for years, while also under the direct instruction of Xavier. The Xmen have had TONS of mutinies over the years. I'm not knocking Scott or his experience, but he doesn't compare to Tchalla who leads an entire nation and has learned more indepth battle tactics over a longer period of time.

Also Grayson < Bruce
Based on comics, Dick > Bruce as far as team leading.


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Based on comics, Dick > Bruce as far as team leading.


Read the thread title again.


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Good points are being made here. Please include Cyclops to the list in the OP.


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Read the thread title again.
Read your post again...the post about leading teams and nations. no expression


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