So you don't actually understand what a feat means. I'm only bringing up the pillars to compare their physical strength, and based on that Ganondorf is physically stronger. I'm not saying Ganondorf wins because he broke pillars, I'm saying he wins because he is physically stronger than Sauron and can easily overcome Sauron's durability.
Whereas Sauron has not shown the ability to overcome Ganondorf's durability.
He isn't physically stronger at all. Sauron's power can easily break pillars but Dorf can't even overpower Link so by comparison he is weaker than Gorons as well. Sauron's power when he swings the mace is leagues above Dorf being resisted by Link. Not even close.
You said Sauron's magic could break pillars, and that's not physical strength. Sauron's physical strength was only shown to toss people, not enough to beat Ganondorf's strength. Further, Sauron's power hasn't shown enough destructive capacity to bypass Ganondorf's castle level durability.
Link is super strong, too, I'm not sure why you have a problem with this.
I wasn't talking about the castle, I was talking about the Beast Ganon fight where he bodily shatters several pillars just by brushing against them.
So Sauron's strength is roughly on par with King Bulblin's, good for him. Link could also resist Sauron, and would probably be able to throw Sauron, so I don't why you even bring him up. Link has super strength, too.
Proven false on both counts. Firstly, Link needs no gear for his best feats, and second, no. The only things in the game actually capable of parrying him are specifically elite units. But do you really want to use gameplay again?
Sauron's swipes would accomplish nothing as Ganon simply steps on him.
That is beast mode due to his altered size and gained weight. We see Midna overpower him without even having to transform. Sauron can also destroy pillars without a body for Zelda's sake.
Nah, Link has been ko'd by henchmen. Bulbin never swung an axe and knocked back five men twenty feet either. Feats, broski.
Yes, he does. He needs boots to contend with bigger characters. Dorf parries him as well.
Tk holds Ganondorf in check. When he died nothing happened when Sauron died the entire battlefield of thousands were knocked off their feet.
We've also seen Midna lift giant stone bridges and hundred ton volcanic rocks, and then smash hundreds of meters of ice with them. Midna would also crush Sauron with a flick of her hair. Ganon still steps on Sauron, and Sauron can do nothing to stop it.
Sauron's never knocked a massive boar twenty feet either. I thought you didn't like "feat whores," why change your stance now?
Oh, and just to note Link has also been tossed by axe blows and cannons more powerful than Sauron's physical strength. Both Link and Ganondorf physically outclass Sauron to a huge extent.
He didn't need them for Blizzeta. Link and Ganondorf have roughly equal strength, and that strength is far above what Sauron is capable of.
I SAURON WILL KNOCK YOU ALL DOWN
Seriously, that's kind of pathetic. What's your argument here? That Ganondorf will kill Sauron and then get knocked off his feet? In any case, Ganondorf has his own TK, and go into particle form. Then he portals above Sauron and steps on him.
Not if she had the Fused Shadows. Regardless, your original counter fails because Midna's hair is also stronger than Sauron. Therefore you have no ounter to Beast Ganon casually stomping Sauron out of existence.
Blatantly false. King Bulblin did indeed knock both Link and a giant boar flying backwards. That's a direct comparison, and it clearly shows that Sauron is roughly equal in strength to King Bulblin. Which means that Sauron cannot physically hurt Link or Ganondorf.
Gear does not diminish feats and I don't see why you think it would.
Knocking people down is a pathetic showing next to exploding castles and freezing cities solid, not to mention throwing a Twilight field over an entire country. And Ganondorf does all of that without needing to die first. So you need to accept that Ganondorf completely outclasses Sauron both physically and magically, therefore Ganon steps on Sauron.
As BloodRain says, Ganon teleports, portals, or twilight particles out of TK. Then he steps on Sauron.
Link's too durable for that, though, and those boars can charge through walls with no damage. King Bulblin tossed both, putting him in Sauron's strength tier.
It clearly didn't defeat him, as he was "fine" as you put it. No normal sword has ever harmed Ganondorf.
Physically, if the best Sauron has is tossing human opponents, I say he can't harm Ganon. Magic may be different, but unless it's castle scale again I don't think so.
Gameplay mechanic. He can't dodge swords for pity's sake. Arrows>>>swords.
Sauron is much stronger. Bulbin can't ko with a direct hit to the head. Bulbin is also stronger than Link who is stronger than Dorf.
Yes, because the castle might have defeated her not Dorf. Dorf could have teleported away so in the end we don't know what defeated her since it was off screen.
Due to his size. Sauron doesn't need to alter his size and his powers can easily do far better. He is also far stronger and Dorf in humanoid size is overpowered by Link.
You are not convincing me that you actually played Twilight Princess.
Incorrect. Both Sauron and King Bulblin are in a rough "body toss" tier, which is empirically not enough to hurt Ganondorf. Further, both Link and Ganondorf are high above the simple bodily tossing tier that Sauron is in. They're stronger than he is, essentially.
Pure speculation. We actually see Midna attack Ganondorf, and you can't change that.
Then Ganon steps on and crushes Sauron with superior size.
That is a gameplay mechanic. Much slower attacks beat him.
Based off what ? You're saying if you hand the master sword to Bulbin it won't hurt Dorf ? Utterly preposterous. We don't see anyone lack the strength to hurt Dorf in the game either. More baseless claims. Sauron has greater strength than Dorf, Link, and Bulbin. He also has the powers to hold Dorf still whether he is in animal form or not.
It is speculation either way from any perspective. We know it doesn't kill him Thats also but we've seen another form defeated just not killed.
Tk, weakness wound, superior strength. Sauron stomps.
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