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SSJ1 Goku is easily above anyone on this team. He hits as hard if not harder than "Cardboard World" Superman, is faster than anyone else, and has ki attacks that would hurt all of them.

Frieza at his highest will massacre these guys.
Yeah, but he was above frieza too, and by a good margin.


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Yeah, but he was above frieza too, and by a good margin.


Frieza could still give him a bit of a fight. Are you saying you think 100% Frieza wouldn't win this matchup? New Frieza will do even more damage.

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Well, in terms of raw physical attacks, Freesa has nothing.

Superman and Captain Marvel leveled an entire city in their fight. That alone beats any pure physical feat from Freeza.


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SSJ1 Goku is easily above anyone on this team. He hits as hard if not harder than "Cardboard World" Superman, is faster than anyone else, and has ki attacks that would hurt all of them.

Frieza at his highest will massacre these guys.


Not faster then Flash.

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JLU Flash feats

- In the episode Wild cards Wally picked up a fusion bomb while it was detonating ran from the middle of Las Vegas to the outskirts of the city to let it explode and back. When he did this Superman was moving almost still to him.

- Ran on a road built by GL that lead to straight to the sun from the watchtower within a second.

- Ran around the world in a mere moment over and over again to beat down Lexiac


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Beating Darkseid is enough to put him above anyone in the DBZ Universe


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Well, in terms of raw physical attacks, Freesa has nothing.

Superman and Captain Marvel leveled an entire city in their fight. That alone beats any pure physical feat from Freeza.


You cant be serious. Leveling some building isn't close to anything Goku displayed during his early yrs of kicking Vegeta through Mountains, etc... that's early Saiyan Saga Goku and Vegeta. Goku lifting fts during the Anime was insane as well as a teen. Frieza and Goku were shaking islands and splitting clouds during their fight, hell, the Piccolo vs Frieza fight was doing this. Fast forward to a minute and 30 sec...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZqpzFkRDZY

Piccolo and Frieza wouldn't even have to touch the building or city to destroy it, the shockwaves alone would've done it and this is a far weaker Frieza.


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Beating Darkseid is enough to put him above anyone in the DBZ Universe


When did he beat Darkseid and while you are at it, provide some Darkseid fts that puts him above Saiyan Saga Vegeta.


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Apparently Darkseid scared heaven itself, and was more then a dimensional threat to all the DC Universe.


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Oh, and also, Superman has been hit with apparently 15 suns to the face and survived:



Oh, and I'd also like to add that Superman punched Darkseid SO hard that there was a Sonic Vibration in the air.


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Coldcast was clearly panicked and exaggerating. Because 15 suns exploding would not only show up as an explosion on the dark side of the moon.

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You cant be serious. Leveling some building isn't close to anything Goku displayed during his early yrs of kicking Vegeta through Mountains, etc... that's early Saiyan Saga Goku and Vegeta. Goku lifting fts during the Anime was insane as well as a teen. Frieza and Goku were shaking islands and splitting clouds during their fight, hell, the Piccolo vs Frieza fight was doing this. Fast forward to a minute and 30 sec...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZqpzFkRDZY

Piccolo and Frieza wouldn't even have to touch the building or city to destroy it, the shockwaves alone would've done it and this is a far weaker Frieza.


Those "mountains" they get knocked through aren't very large.

And leveling an entire city within minutes is much more impressive.


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Those "mountains" they get knocked through aren't very large.

And leveling an entire city within minutes is much more impressive.


The fight between Supes and Billy didn't level "an entire city". It was a few blocks of buildings Luthor made. And only a few buildings fell if I recall.

Nappa casually wiped an entire city off the map. And Frieza casually did the same to a planet.

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Don't get me wrong, in terms of Ki, Frieza wins, I've never seen animated Superman destroy a planet just from a single blast.

BUT, Superman is physically above Frieza in every way.


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He is not faster than Frieza. They downplayed speed a lot in JLU except for Flash.

And Frieza is strong enough especially at 100% that Supes won't just shrug off his punches. If he even decides to melee it up. He could just blast the shit out of him and nobody in the League would have an answer.

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Apparently Darkseid scared heaven itself, and was more then a dimensional threat to all the DC Universe.



You're getting your Darkseid mixed up. Stick to the Animation versions. Again, what has Darkseid done 'in the Animation'?


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Oh, and also, Superman has been hit with apparently 15 suns to the face and survived:



Oh, and I'd also like to add that Superman punched Darkseid SO hard that there was a Sonic Vibration in the air.


Superman was also koed by the shockwaves of a blast that leveled a building. The 15 suns was obviously hyperbole (even though I can't see your clip).


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Those "mountains" they get knocked through aren't very large.

And leveling an entire city within minutes is much more impressive.


The entire city wasn't leveled, just some building, and people from the Saiyan Saga can fly through buildings (lol). Is that all that impressed you?

Also, Superman was dropped by the shockwaves from this...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyIL8Qb1zdU

That blast wouldn't eve tickle Saiyan Saga Vegeta. Proof? Vegeta tanks this, with a smile.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3h5zFQRW6g0

It's debatable if Superman alone could even hurt this form of Frieza.


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Frieza wins, the cartoon versions of both the JLU and the Avengers are nowhere near as powerful as their comic versions. Yes, if this were comic versions the outcome would be very different, but since it's not Frieza pretty much can kill them all with a single blast.

Superman is the most durable member of the JLU and he was KO'ed from a glancing blow from that fusion cannon attached to the watchtower. Frieza packs far far more of a punch then that weapon does. Likewise on the Avengers assuming this is EMH versions..the only person more durable then Superman would be Hulk, and even then there wouldn't be an utterly massive difference.

So there isn't anyone that could survive his opening blast. Also the only person fast enough to potentially get off an attack at Frieza before he fires an energy blast is the Flash and he just doesn't pack the necessary damage output to hurt Frieza. Before anyone mentions it..nope, the Luthor/Brainiac combo Flash needed several hits to defeat actually wasn't anywhere near the durability of Frieza.


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Oh, and also, Superman has been hit with apparently 15 suns to the face and survived:



Oh, and I'd also like to add that Superman punched Darkseid SO hard that there was a Sonic Vibration in the air.


The clip you just showed is not JLU Superman. If we're just choosing any animated versions we want then Supes from the Superfriends show was a planet mover.

Also, why would an attack that is "15 suns" hurt someone who gets his power from the sun?


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Lulz Superman with his non holding back punch sent through Darkseid a couple of buildings.

That's almost saiyan saga lvl feat!

Frieza would wipe his ass with Clark.

Nobody here is touching him at a 100%.

He could just blow the planet up on them.


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It's just really strange to see this even get argued by anyone. Since again, the fusion canon on the watchtower KO'ed Supes right the f*ck out from not even a direct shot. This thing had the punch of a small nuke and had shockwaves felt as far away as Japan.

Yeah, Master Roshi in Dragonball can destroy the moon.


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