I just asked you a question. A question in no way ever putting words into persons mouth. you said it was my idea. You put words in my mouth, but, thats okay. You can do that, i can point it out.
It is a very silly argument. It assumes sense everyone is not happy, that an omnipotent God cannot be omnipotent. in your opinion its silly, in mine its a topic for conversation so, in my opinion one of is wasting his time over a silly argument, and, it aint me.
Are YOU assuming everyone IS happy? Just asking; dont want to put words in your mouth.
What if God doesn't want everyone happy? Now the argument falls apart. is that question rhetorical? Not personally knowing any gods, any opinions i have on their actions is speculation on my part. Arent yours?
So no, i dont think the argument falls apart at all.
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It was a question. I didn’t realize that you disliked the idea so badly that you would take office by someone assuming that you agreed with a thread that you started.
Not once have you talked about the topic. All you have done was be hostel.
No I am not assuming everyone IS happy. Now I didn’t make the thread, nor did I ever support the idea that everyone IS happy. On the contrary, most people are not happy from time to time. What does happiness have to do with an omnipotent God?
It was a question that pointed out the illogic to the idea that everyone not being happy means that god is not omnipotent.
Aren’t mine what?
Please explain why.
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Well, thank you for the multiple posts on the topic you didnt think much of anyway.
AND the quick response.
Sorry i had you wait 2 1/2 hours for you to respond in under 10 minutes. Had to download wood for my tree house.
in the Bible, although God is "almighty" in a sense that He is the most powerful being, the supreme being - He is NOT "omnipotent" in a sense that there are things He cannot do...
Indeed. For instance, any covenant He made, ever. He is bound by the covenant for as long as the other end of the covenant is upheld.
I had this argument as a kid in Sunday School. Most people create logical problems or God's omnipotence due to a willful lack of understanding of what his omnipotence is. His omnipotence is great for anything He wants to do but not everything we want him to do.
Limited Omnipotence makes more sense. God will operate, omnipotently, in a specific area of operation. There are areas he will not dabble in. I think some Christians have justified God's ability to do literally anything by His indirect influences...such as Lucifer and humans. God can, indirectly, be truly omnipotent that way.
also, the Bible really states some things God cannot do, for example:
"In hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,"
Titus 1:2
"That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us."
Hebrews 6:18
God cannot lie...
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning."
James 1:17
God cannot change His being...
"If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself."
II Timothy 2:13
God cannot deny Himself...
God does not even know everything... in the same logic that He's not omnipotent but almighty, He is also not omniscient nor omnipresent...
I googled omnipotence and this was one of the results. I can see why it would come up.
If you dont agree with me on that, lets not drag it out for a page and a half, please. I already did that here yesterday...
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