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Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
so... anyone have any ideas how Bruce Wayne/Batman appears in this????

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Not really. Downey and Scarlet were already stars. Downy in the 80's. Everyone else like Hemsworth, Rener, Ruffalo, etc... are well known because of Avengers, but aren't A listers or big box office draws.

Henry Cavill wasn't a big star. Christian Bale wasn't a big star. And MOST of the cast of JLA aren't big stars.

Both companies have hired big stars, so it's nothing really new.

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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Renner is A list lol. The Town, Mission Impossible & American Hustle.

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The film industry terms of A-list, B-List, and so on originates from the process of casting selection, more specifically to studio films but can also be attributed to studio specialty and independent films as well.

Basically, the A-List are the most in demand actors. They are the heavy hitters that have a proven box office track record and/or proven acting chops above most others. This list changes often, due to whatever the current trends may be. An actor's personal life and public relations (or lack thereof), both positive and negative, can drastically affect their stance. Tom Cruise, while proven to be a legendary box office draw with an impeccable reputation in the industry for his drive, charisma, and acting capabilities, took a hard hit around 2005 due to his appearances and outspokenness on Oprah and The Today Show (regarding comments about his religion and his stance against drug treatment for depression). Studios were reluctant to green light a Tom Cruise flick too quickly for a few years. He has finally begun to climb out of that hole, thanks in part to his comedic turn in Tropic Thunder and especially the upcoming buzz for his musical turn in Rock Star and the fourth (and perhaps his final) installment of his Mission Impossible franchise. So it all depends on the current trends, who is showing the best turn of profit (Shia LaBeouf is one of the better bets these days), and who has the best reputation within the industry.

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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
He was great in Rush.

He is the lead in the new Ron Howard movie, in the heart of the Sea, I bet it will do solid buissnes

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: UNDERWATER!

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Not really. Downey and Scarlet were already stars. Downy in the 80's.

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Everyone else like Hemsworth, Rener, Ruffalo, etc... are well known because of Avengers, but aren't A listers or big box office draws.

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Henry Cavill wasn't a big star. Christian Bale wasn't a big star. And MOST of the cast of JLA aren't big stars.

Both companies have hired big stars, so it's nothing really new.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not true at all.

Downey was a joke that nobody wanted when IM1 was made.

Scarlet was never the lead in any Marvel franchise.








Exactly. Marvel's doesn't need A-Listers to draw box office. They cast according to who best suits the role.




Again that's not really true. Marvel hasn't put an A-Lister into their lead roles yet. (I'd say Paul Rudd and Benedict Cumberbatch are the closest they've come to that, and that's like right at the end of Phase 2, and well into Phase 3).


Whilst WB casts Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern, Ben Affleck as Batman, Will Smith as Deadshot and a well known Game of Thrones star as Aquaman..

It's pretty clear which company is trying to sell tickets with Star Power, and which lesser known actors have really benefited from a Star Brand name.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Jason Momoa is star power now? Come on...

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Originally posted by -Pr-
To be fair, he was good in Stargate Atlantis, but that's as niche a show as you can find. He was in how many episodes of GoT?

As far as Downey goes, his career was on the upturn when he was cast. He'd shed his demons, and was getting acting jobs, some of which ended up being critically acclaimed. I think that him once being A-list gave him an advantage, and made him a more well known name that it really doesn't make a difference.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
He was in how many episodes of GoT?

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Oh, and cumberbatch, Paul Rudd, and Edward Norton Jr are easily more well known than Gadot, Ezra Miller, and the guy playing Cyborg. Not even close

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Jason Momoa is star power now? Come on...

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I already brought up Rudd and Cumberbatch myself. Saying that's now end of Phase 2, they're going for some bigger stars.

Affleck, Reynolds and Will Smith. They're 3 big to huge stars. Marvel's not had 3 leads that big up to now.

IM restarted Downey's career.

They replaced Norton with Ruffalo.





Ok, I was pushing it with that one Lol. But my overall point stands. Marvel has generally not relied Star Power to sell their movies.

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Affleck and Reynolds has NEVER been huge stars. Are they stars, sure, but not A listers and the NUMBERS don't lie. When has Affeck or Reynods made a big blockbuster on their OWN?

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Come on man.. They're both really really famous. And Affleck's always been paid A LOT of his acting roles.

Oh and Terrance Howard was paid like the same as Downey in IM1. So that shows Downey's status as an actor at the time, compared to what it is now.

Also we're probably just arguing semantics about what an A-Lister is. Point is though Affleck and Reynolds are certainly much much bigger stars than the likes of Hemsworth and Evans were (and still are). Let's not even go there with Will Smith.

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Robert Downey Jr. outside of Tony Stark and Sherlock Holmes is not a bankable movie star. Brendan Fraser was only a movie star in the Mummy movies. And Chris Hemsworth isn’t worth much outside of playing Thor. And so it is the same with Johnny Depp, worth his weight in gold when playing Jack Sparrow and teaming with Tim Burton but otherwise at-best an added value element. Johnny Depp doesn’t need career rehab or intervention. He has always marched to the beat of his own drummer, and I imagine films like Mortdecai are very much what he’d like to do with his time in between Pirates sequels and periodic “serious” pictures like the upcoming ensemble Whitey Bulger biopic. There was a time when Johnny Depp was considered box office poison and I truly wanted Burton to cast Brad Pitt in Sleepy Hollow because Burton (post Ed Wood and Mars Attacks!) badly needed a safe hit. Even over a decade after Curse of the Black Pearl, I would still argue he has little drawing power on his own, little ability to get audiences to see a film that they otherwise wouldn’t be interested in. That’s not a knock against him, because I don’t think Mr. Depp ever wanted to be the next Tom Cruise. He is perfectly happy being Johnny Depp, take him or leave him.