[SPOILER - highlight to read]: I do think the count has a very decent chance to take them both down via sabers. Agen is essentially < Kenobi while TPM Maul is most probably < Anakin.
By the end of CW Dooku was stalemating the Jedi duo (basically also in sabers), he can take a slim majority in this fight IMHO.
Dooku has never conclusively stalemated the Kenobi/Skywalker duo, in fact fighting them together heavily strains him. He's never shown himself capable of defeating someone as skilled and physically formidable as Maul alongside someone as skilled as Agen, with just his blade.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
As in their duels have never finished, therefore there's no proof that Dooku did anything beyond holding them off for length of time that he did. Using your logic, Savage Opress "stalemated" Anakin and Kenobi.
He was running out of steam, quickly. In RotS he needed Kenobi out of the picture if he wanted any chance of winning.
Well, Maul can operate at peak capacity for a sufficient amount of time but that's besides the point - I wasn't saying Maul is as good as Anakin. I was saying that Dooku has never conclusively beaten a duo containing someone as physically powerful and skilled as Maul, using only his blade.
I mean, probably slightly, but considering Dooku can only ever defeat Kenobi, when Anakin is present, with the Force, I fail to see how that even matters.
Except he can't stalemate that duo - he would lose to them every time. He doesn't have any other feats to suggest he can pull off what you're suggesting.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Likewise there is no indication that they would definitely beat him, or vice versa. Thus we have to work with what we've got.
from what I gather, it was more or less a stalemate.
Well, he kinda did. He also ragdolled him. But we know that Savage was blodlusted/amped by rage at that point.
In RotS Anakin is "twice as powerful" as he was the last time he and Count fought.
Fair enough.
Yet, Dooku was never conclusively beaten by CW Anakin/Obi, a duo with someone more powerful physically than Maul and someone better than Kolar.
I believe their last fight in CW series showed that Dooku can clearly hold his own agaisnt Anakin/Obi. I watched it quite a while ago, though.
We never saw them outduel him, though. He was defeated by Anakin, sure. But it was Anakin twice as powerful as in CW by his own admission.
And at this point we enter the realm of speculation.
The point is, Savage would lose in a straight duel to either Kenobi or Anakin, so even though he can give them both bother at the same time in an inconclusive bout, doesn't mean he's their equal. Same goes with Dooku, except we know he would at least outduel Kenobi by himself in a tough fight. Inconclusive bout =/= stalemate.
For another example, Anakin has held off Dooku and Ventress simultaneously in a comic. I doubt you would consider him their combined equal.
Unreliable hyperbole, and also that quote is referring to the AotC duel, since TCW didn't even exist at that point.
That's just because Dooku is very skilled, and because the fights didn't last long enough for him to lose. Don't get me wrong, he'd make a real go of the fight in this thread. I just can't see him winning against two high calibre duelists like this.
He can hold his own, he just can't win.
Because the duel was inconclusive - it was evident that he would end up losing rapidly if he didn't remove Kenobi from the equation. And again, Anakin was referring to his AotC self. He couldn't have possibly doubled in power between TCW and RotS, so even if you took the quote to be referring to that point in time it'd be inaccurate hyperbole.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Precisely. Dooku can hold his on against a more powerful team (CW Skywalker and Kenobi), thus, conceivably, he should be able to edge out a win against a less powerful team (TPM Maul and Kolar).
Jan 20th, 2015 02:41 PM
