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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So far, none of this sounds too wild for me to imagine.

Sure, it's possible, and it's a comic book, so it's all way too easy to imagine.

When Shaw was beating on both Rogue and Wolverine though, he waited for them to be in arms reach before explaining that they were screwed.

Not hard for me to imagine that Batman would throw a batarang, and launch a batkick before his first attack even hit.

As soon as it becomes a melee match, Bats is boned.

Feb 24th, 2015 08:34 PM

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What? Punch Rogue, she flies back in and charge him and he punched her again. What I got from that is he attacked, tanked, and attacked again. Where did he stand there and laugh?

Wow. So did he not stand in one spot the entire time and yell what his powers are? If you say no you're officially an idiot.

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Sure, it's possible, and it's a comic book, so it's all way too easy to imagine.

When Shaw was beating on both Rogue and Wolverine though, he waited for them to be in arms reach before explaining that they were screwed.

Not hard for me to imagine that Batman would throw a batarang, and launch a batkick before his first attack even hit.

As soon as it becomes a melee match, Bats is boned.

You think Bats is that fast?

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Wow. So did he not stand in one spot the entire time and yell what his powers are? If you say no you're officially an idiot.

Well, he responded to Rogue's own dialogue, and uttered his lines as he stopped her bullrush and grabbed her from the ground...

I mean, standing in one spot WAS a tactic, apparently, cause it made him a still target and absorbed all of Rogue's momentum...

Feb 24th, 2015 08:38 PM

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Don't think so.

Another to add to the growing collection:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...9/2043999-3.jpg

And:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...ook/absorb1.jpg

And
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...naldpierce1.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...gth_guards3.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...gth_gambit1.jpg

I think there should be a thread just dedicated to Shawsplanation...

Because I like Shawsplaning.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You think Bats is that fast?

Fast enough to leap across a rooftop gap and enter the motions of a batkick as his batarang is still in the air?

Yeah, probably. Not really crucial though - I just don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Batman will figure out Shaw's powers before he takes it to melee, which would happen immediately following a batarang.

I don't think Batman would cycle through the long range tools in his utility belt while staying across the rooftop gap...

I also don't think Batman would keep his distance if Shaw attempts to make it a melee fight.

Feb 24th, 2015 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Existere
Well, he responded to Rogue's own dialogue, and uttered his lines as he stopped her bullrush and grabbed her from the ground...

I mean, standing in one spot WAS a tactic, apparently, cause it made him a still target and absorbed all of Rogue's momentum...

And? So as I said he yelled his powers and stayed in one spot. Correct? Carver denied that happened

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Fast enough to leap across a rooftop gap and enter the motions of a batkick as his batarang is still in the air?

Yeah, probably. Not really crucial though - I just don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Batman will figure out Shaw's powers before he takes it to melee, which would happen immediately following a batarang.

I don't think Batman would cycle through the long range tools in his utility belt while staying across the rooftop gap...

I also don't think Batman would keep his distance if Shaw attempts to make it a melee fight.

True, true. Who do you see taking this match?

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And? So as I said he yelled his powers and stayed in one spot. Correct? Carver denied that happened

Well, he didn't... he went through all that pompous dialogue, sure, but he did it while attacking her. So when Carver said:

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What I got from that is he attacked, tanked, and attacked again. ?

I don't think he was being an idiot.

At the very least, you're both right - he talked AND attacked - but since this whole topic is related to Shaw's CIS (and how that relates to battling Batman), I was trying to point out that Shaw may be pompous, but not necessarily stupid, because his attack did work.

Feb 24th, 2015 08:47 PM

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And? So as I said he yelled his powers and stayed in one spot. Correct? Carver denied that happened

Read my post. He yelled his power WHILE ATTACKING. He didn't stand in one spot laughing like Dark said he would. He attacked.

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Because I like Shawsplaning.

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*non-canon

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True, true. Who do you see taking this match?

Shaw, specifically because the OP sets up Batman to lose.

Feb 24th, 2015 08:49 PM

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Even if he doesn't say it, he's still THINKING it. He just wants an audience, I guess:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...gth_energy2.jpg

Would Namor count?:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...ebstrength2.jpg

X-man, I know, but adding it to the Shawsplanation:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...hotobook/s5.jpg

Even when people know about his powers, he will gladly explain his new powers:
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/2-1.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/4-1.jpg

Also, what's stopping Bats from just using chokeholds?
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/5-1.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/6-1.jpg

'Of all of them, you came the closest'.

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Originally posted by Existere
Well, he didn't... he went through all that pompous dialogue, sure, but he did it while attacking her. So when Carver said:

Good for him doesn't take away anything from what I said. Stood in one place and once again described his powers.

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lol, ok...

Feb 24th, 2015 08:55 PM

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What I've noticed about Shaw is he explains his powers while attacking. Batman gets squeezed to death.

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Feb 24th, 2015 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even if he doesn't say it, he's still THINKING it. He just wants an audience, I guess:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...gth_energy2.jpg

Would Namor count?:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...ebstrength2.jpg

X-man, I know, but adding it to the Shawsplanation:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...hotobook/s5.jpg

Even when people know about his powers, he will gladly explain his new powers:
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/2-1.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/4-1.jpg

Also, what's stopping Bats from just using chokeholds?
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/5-1.jpg
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums...lanpics/6-1.jpg

'Of all of them, you came the closest'.

What's stopping Batman from choking out someone massively stronger than him?

Nothing, I guess.

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Originally posted by carver9
What I've noticed about Shaw is he explains his powers while attacking. Batman gets squeezed to death.

He didn't do it against Gambit (twice), Box, Storm, or Pierce.

Your powers of noticing are weak.

Also, none of the scans show him 'squeezing' someone to death. He usually punches them away. The amount of energy Batman would have in his kick (as Batman does NOT go for 'motorcyclesplitting kicks' as his first attack) would hardly make him super powerful either.

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Originally posted by Mindset
What's stopping Batman from choking out someone massively stronger than him?

Nothing, I guess.

Tigra was doing just fine. She's weaker than Shaw, and Bats. Until that wall. Which presumably won't exist on a rooftop. Though it shows pressure point attacks could work.

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He didn't do it against Gambit (twice), Box, Storm, or Pierce.

Your powers of noticing are weak.

Also, none of the scans show him 'squeezing' someone to death. He usually punches them away. The amount of energy Batman would have in his kick (as Batman does NOT go for 'motorcyclesplitting kicks' as his first attack) would hardly make him super powerful either.

Wait a minute. I'm not use to this line of debate from Dark. Aren't you the one that usually resort to bfring as a majority tactic stating that "why would he not do this if it's within his ability to do". You debate primarily off of powerset.

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