Up to date canon source material>10 year old kinda canon statement
Not to mention the Infinities article has Skywalker easily stomp Yoda and Sidious at not even max potential. The Father can only be replaced by Anakin. The location has nothing to do with it. Unless you think The Father off of Mortis is only 200% Sidious.
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Both Stark and Nepthys make very interesting points. Stark makes the point that Anakin's possible level of power as it relates to him surpassing the Father is certainly above 2X Sidious, while Nephthys asserts that Mortis is somehow instrumental to Anakin acquiring such a level of power.
I do personally find the idea of Father being only 2X Sidious to be an absurd one myself.
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No he's not. Not anymore. That's Legends continuity. According to the current canon only the Movies, TCWs, and Rebels is canon as well as anything released after continuity update. Everything else is ranked under the Legends continuity.
Both Anakin and the Father are very similar beings. The Father's origins are unknown but Anakin was created by the Force itself bring balance. The Son and Daughter were also on Mortis tapping into its power. Why would Anakin being on Mortis alter him more than the Ones?
Lucas' opinion didn't suddenly become invalid. He was the man who freaking created Anakin and personally oversaw the Mortis arc you're basing everything on. His word on the matter is still law and at the least it carries a hell of a lot more weight that your personal interpretation.
The Father states why himself, Anakin is the Chosen One. As a being born from the Force, it's only natural that he'd be exceedingly effective at using the energies of Mortis, where the Force of the universe flows.
It could be that since Anakin turned down the opportunity to be an anchorite, he lost a one time chance to become as powerful as The Father. In the commentary of the trilogy, Filoni stated that he purposely left the story up to interpretation.
However, if we accept them as being real, then no being aside from Anakin, had it in them to be equals with them. Their powers are beyond sith and jedi comprehension. Just one of them can cause destruction to the universe if released from Mortis. Vitiate being a farmer and everything he desired all at once (or whatever) doesn't come close to that Kind of power.
One Anchorite can manipulate weather and the entire environment of Mortis. Like Stark said. Mortis is a conduit through which the power of the entire universe flows, and that is power beyond a single galaxy. If they can manipulate Mortis to such an extent then they could manipulate galaxies without a problem.
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Well he absorbed an entire galaxy. And if we go by our galaxy that is approximately 200 billion suns worth of energy plus the actual Force power contained within it so that's probably a veritable shitgigaton of power.
Also the power of the universe may have flowed through it but Mortis certainly didn't contain all the universe's energy, it was just a focal point for it and place that connected to it all. Surely?
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He did so through a ritual that was empowered by billions of deaths. Or something.
Plus, would he still hold that power after the ritual, or use it for something, like, being omnipresence and such to one galaxy? I mean, he absorbed the power of hundreds of sith, yet the power only served to increase his life.
Even if Mortis didn't hold all of the univers' power at once, it would still hold power far beyond one single galaxy.
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Last edited by Dominis on Mar 1st, 2015 at 09:31 PM
It didn't become invalid, but it certainly isn't law. Its a 10+ year old arbitrary statement made to simply say 'Anakin has the potential to surpass Sidious'. Even if we do treat it as law him saying 'Anakin had the potential to be 200% of Sidious' does not mean that Anakin could only be 200% of Sidious.
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And there are nearly a hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe... Also why are we assuming that Vitiate is going to absorb the energy of stars now?
Sorry, no. Filoni isn't a canon source, let alone G-Canon one.
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He doesn't mention anything he's going to use the power for. The first ritual did have a purpose by he doesn't need to use the second one for anything else than being untouchably powerful.
Nah.
That statement never stopped being a thing that was real. What exactly the statement means and what Lucas was referring to though, is open to interpretation through examination of it however. That's always been my stance.
It's certainly more law than your opinion, bro. There's nothing that contradicts it and it completely matches the facts. Anakin didn't have 20 times the midichlorians than anyone else in history, theres no ****ing way he was that powerful. He was at most twice as powerful as Sidious as Lucas said. Also yeah it pretty much does mean that's his potential. If someone says "he could become about twice as powerful as the Emperor" they don't really mean "between twice to twelve times as powerful."
It doesn't matter if you don't think so because he very clearly did when he controlled them. Theres no mention or hint of Anakin tapping into his potential in that scene, the only thing that's indicated is that he tapped into Mortis.
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Vitiate implies basically that he'd be everywhere in the galaxy at once, just enjoying life and doing everything he ever dreamed of. Obviously that would require an awful amount of power, perhaps...galactic level power. I mean, planetary level power did a little more than just increase his life. What makes you think one galaxy--a spec in the ocean compared to the entire universe--would put Vitiate on the level of universal beings? Yes, just by manipulating Mortis, the ones are operating on a universal scale. The son would warp Vitiate's galaxy and toy with him. They can warp Mortis--a focal point in which the power of the entire universe flows, and it's only there that their own powers can be contained according to the father. Outside of Mortis their powers are too great for the universe to handle, which is why they had to withdraw from it.
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Open to interpretation? Lol so is the other conversation.
He was that powerful. TPM also implies Yoda's and Anakins aren't that far apart but that the boy has a higher count that he does. Anakin certainly doesn't have twice the count of Yoda and yet by your own assertion he'd still be 200% of Sidious he should.
It was an arbitrary statement. If I say Muhammad Ali is twice as strong as Joe Frazier, its not meant to be taken literally. Also this quote was made before the Ones even existed.
Yes he is. Filoni directed TCWs which has the same level of canonicity as the movies, is in charge of the Rebels project which has the same. He has regular convos with GL. How is he not a canon source?
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The actual statement about Luke doesn't seem to be concrete canon, because Filoni never said specifically and concretely that Luke would get his ass kicked, he said he thought he would.
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Because Ned, picking and choosing statements that conform to your personal view of Star Wars and dismissing those that don't is all the rage here these days.
Double standards my friend, this is how far this section has fallen.
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