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Ulic not only resisted the mental attacks of the Ketos he resisted King Ommin's Force attacks as a whole and without a connection to the Force was so mentally strong that he became one with the Force regardless.
His speed feats include generating almost half a dozen after-images and without any Force augmentation fighting at the same speed as dark Sylvar, someone who could blitz Force-enhanced Massassi abominations. Last but not least he has blitzed Warb Null and Ommin.
His dueling skill is on par with Exar Kun's despite a shrapnel injury and is routinely held in high regard as a Jedi Guardian by characters across the eras. Even Anakin Skywalker recognised him and his skill.
Force feats are sparse by comparison but he is certainly very powerful. As a matter of fact he has been used as a benchmark for Darth Sidious,
stating that even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine's power.
He is probably the strongest character here.
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Not to the same degree. And I'd like to see him try mental attacks on Tython.
In comparison to the other combatants? Yeah, he's the weakest.
Like I said, the Keto's aren't in the same league as Kaan, let alone Zannah, when it comes to mental attacks. For what it's worth, the HoT also has immense telepathic ability, able to dominate Tol Braga. Braga is the only Jedi or Sith to have ever completely overcome Vitiate's mental domination over time, so his will is pretty dang good. Ommin is also not as good as Zannah, especially in terms of mental attacks.
I'm pretty sure that last thing has nothing to do with willpower, lol.
Nah, nothing here that's greater than the HoT or Zannah. In speed, skill and power both compare or exceed him.
Nephs arguments are pretty LOLworthy. People bring up feats/proof Zannah's illusions need time to gather power and all Neph says is LAWLnope Bane is better.
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Last edited by carthage on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 07:40 PM
I think you may have an odd definition of dead weight. He was a rough fight for *Reborn* Krayt (who's stronger than Ulic), and chumped a legendary immortal sith sorcerer at sorcery.
He's going to at least hold his own against most major sith lords.
Dead weight implies a character that has to be carried, while it's pretty obvious that if anyone in this fight fought the other team solo they'd die hard.
They're fighting against a sith sorcerer and Wyyrlok is known-really good at sorcery fights!
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Ulic Qel-Droma has stalemated Exar Kun whilst injured, the same Exar Kun recognised as the best duelist of the era. Please tell me again what opponents Hero of Tython has fought with saber skills on the tier of Exar Kun.
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What proof have you got that Scourge approaches one of the greatest master duelists in the lore? Allow me to guess, being roughly equal to Meetra Surik? Killing generic Sith with unknown elements of support? or is it getting handled by HoT? I hardly think so.
Kun remains arguably the greatest Niman master of all time, quite possibly invented the saberstaff and was routinely equating Ulic and Vodo in lightsaber combat, two genuine master duelists themselves. Not to mention that his personal lightsaber form is stated to be unstoppable when combined with his precognition.
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Sure, he was about equal to Surik.... 300 ****ing years before his prime. Scourge mastered at least 3 lightsaber forms in a mere 20ish years. So it's not difficult to imagine that an extra 300 years (and the motivation of ending Vitiate) would make him insanely proficient. He's also got bonkers amounts of experience after 300 years of fighting powerful opponents and killing over 1100 of them. It was also notable that although he was decent in Revan, Nyriss and Revan both mention that Scourge still has tremendous amounts of force potential to unlock. Which I figure he did. He also has biochemical enhancements, has his combat prowess increased by Vitiate and has his special talent for feeding off of the emotions of his opponents (more than regular Sith). His massively levels of experience were also so good that he could quickly analyse a person and see their weaknesses.
And we see the "support" Scourge has in TOR. None. He walks up solo to a Republic military base to murder a former dark council member. And although he walks away, he was confident he could have succeeded despite Act II HoT being there and killed her and Sajar.
Kun was good sure but he was rivaled by Ulic and Vodo, he's not a transcendent swordsman above everyone else. Being unstoppable is obviously hyperbolic.
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