Hm... when Steph graduated, she moved up to 'well trained' in HtH, and got *way* better with gadgets and stuff.
Cass, when she changed identities, well, there's not really any higher for her to *go* ^^ Well, not without being Karate Kid, but that requires studying alien martial arts it seems.
Ironically, pre-reboot, Oracle Babs arguably got better at HtH than Batgirl Babs...
And Batwoman started out pretty solid from the start, and didn't really change.
Though to be fair, while they said she had no 'powers,' she did do stuff that was, quote, 'mentally impossible' for anyone else. Basically she could go faster because she had superhuman coordination.
It's like..who knew that having a father willing to shoot you with a pistol as a part of "training" was all it took to gain some semblance of super powers?
Here my father was just using a yard stick to hit me. This is why I can't dodge bullets, thanks Dad!
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
Where does being Karate Kid end and the rest of these losers begin?
I'm with Smurph - if you can beat Tim Drake (pretty much the worst Robin in terms of MA ability), you graduate from well trained to Top Tier. Because I'll give Timmy Boy the win over Scott sans powers any day.
After that the lines start blurring again until you reach Nightwing. Once you can beat Nightwing H2H you reach Top Top Tier MA status (aka, sub-Karate Kid status) where Batman resides with his buddies Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Cassandra Cain, Elektra, Iron Fist, Cap, etc.
I'm with Smurph - if you can beat Tim Drake (pretty much the worst Robin in terms of MA ability), you graduate from well trained to Top Tier. Because I'll give Timmy Boy the win over Scott sans powers any day.
After that the lines start blurring again until you reach Nightwing. Once you can beat Nightwing H2H you reach Top Top Tier MA status (aka, sub-Karate Kid status) where Batman resides with his buddies Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Cassandra Cain, Elektra, Iron Fist, Cap, etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
Tim stalemated and had the advantage over Dick in both of their most recent pre-DcNu encounters, and has consistently performed better against Jason then Dick ever has. Once he became Red Robin, he was easily the most capable Bat-kid.
That's all Pre-DcNu though. No idea where he sits now.
I do think around the top of the top tiers is when you start to see KK-esque stuff, it's just the degree increases.
Shiva, Cassandra, and similar can destroy stuff above their strength level. Shang Chi can take blows he shouldn't be able to take. Cass has judo-thrown bizarro (Linda) Supergirl.
The way I read it, KK's basically those techniques refined and improved over time. What used to be rare feats created only by rare users, became studyable moves, all pieced together to make them stronger and more reliable.
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