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evilelvis
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I agree that it is good to consult eachother about the released movies, but do you ever ponder that discussing the future of the 3rd instalment may spoil the experience like knowing the present before its received. perhaps this may explain some negative coments on the reloaded movie because you discussed it before it was released.

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He can't do both because of time, Raz, remember? He only had five minutes to do his thing. He went to save Tritnity rather than enter the Source.


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Would you say that the TV-images of Neo are earlier "incarnations" / versions of him?

Or are they only "projections" that the Architect are able to predict?

I mean, if the earlier "Neos" all look similar, then you can rule out that the french guy was an earlier version of Neo...

(It is hinted in another thread that the french guy was "Neo" in an earlier version of the Matrix.)

Ok... see a flaw with this theory... The french guy (or other versions of Neo) may have changed their appearance wink (if they are as powerful as Neo is)

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The Matrix Reloaded Decoded

This guys analysis of the conversation with the architect is right on. What do you think?

The Matrix Reloaded Decoded
jclune.com/MatrixReloadedDecoded.html

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I asumed all the screens were the Architect's analysis of Neo's thoughts, and all the many things he was considering as responses to each point (hence 'Bullshit' being his only possible response to Zion falling-as the Architect says, denial is predictable)


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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let us be reminded that choices have already been made and all neo has to do is to confirm the choice made. him saving trinity and seeming selfish may sound wrong to us, and he may not know why he went ahead to rescue trinity, but he's just living out the choice already made, unconciously. it's either there's a plausible explanation to all this, or the brothers have made a very bad movie, and we are basking in their supposed perfection because we beleive they could never make a flop movie.


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Just because the things that made his mind up had already been decided does not excuse him from his action! The reason he went to save Trinity was pure selfishness born out of love. That is why the choice had already been made- that love already existed.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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yeah i get it now but it doesnt matter does it? he can do whatever he wants now i guess? trinity died as part of the choice nade but he changed it all didnt he? so if the world gets destroyed, he can bring it all back right?


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He's not God, you know.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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but thats what they are making us think he is..he raised the dead!


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But only ever of people who died in the Matrix. The body cannot live without the mind. The mind dies, the body dies. But Neo can re-make that mind in the Matrix, it seems.

But he could not ressurect someone who had been beheaded in real life for example.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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yeah gotcha!


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Esoterra - Yeah, there are some neat theories there! Especially on the evolution of programs... Little black boxes.

Ush - Yes, that could be it. (Architect interpreting Neo's thoughts.)

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YEAH REMEMBER THE ARQUITECT HAVE BEEN WATCHED HIM SINCE M1
REMEMBER THE INTERROGATION SCENE THERE WAS THE ARQUITECT MONITORS.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I asumed all the screens were the Architect's analysis of Neo's thoughts, and all the many things he was considering as responses to each point (hence 'Bullshit' being his only possible response to Zion falling-as the Architect says, denial is predictable)


My thoughts too. It can't be previous versions, since Neo is the 6th version of the One (probably version 3.6 of the Matrix).

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There IS a problem though...

Here's a quote from the earlier quote wink
---- BEGIN QUOTE ----
Tv Neos:
5 ones before me? 4...3..2.. what are you talking about? There are only 2 possible explanations, either no one told me....)
Neo: ...or no one knows.
---- END QUOTE ----

So, this WOULD seem to be earlier Neos... As they react differently (2 before me, 3 before me... etc.)

Can you explain this?

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I will have to watch the scene again to be definitive.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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Then he realized that the prophesy it wasnt real coz the other ones were supose to choose the door and then start another Zion with another prophecy belives

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quote:
Originally posted by Swedenborg
There IS a problem though...


That was clever... big grin

Let me think.

Old Post Jun 4th, 2003 08:25 AM
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Idea: a prediction / analysis program would be fed by historical data.

It makes sense for a program not to rule out any previous reaction from the One, although the chance of repetition is zero (we know this, but the program apparently not).

Keep in mind that all the other screens show different emotions...

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