There's the whole interview on the site too, and of course, while most of us realized things were much more dangerous for black Americans, I don't think most of us realized by how much.
The rise of video cameras and recordings to demonstrate unequal treatment going on has been a big boon to recognizing the problems, and hopefully means more will be done about them.
i could be wrong but it sounds to me like you're conflating two separate issues: high murder rates in black neighborhoods and police brutality. high murder rates in black neighborhoods are mostly due to gang violence and things like that, not police shootings.
One of the big problems is, if you can't trust the police, and many black communities can't, then who protects you from the gangs?
In places where police harass black people and are more likely to view them as threats/escalate violence against them in ways they don't for whites, the people are caught between frying pan and fire. And that's what give you higher rates of killings.
But aren't black people..the biggest killers of black people in America? No other race kills more blacks then blacks.
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I'm not saying racism doesn't exist here, it just seems that..well, you tend to see some people who act like the biggest problems the community faces do not come from within the community.
So I think when people talk about "putting things in context" when the dude is talking about how you are a lot more likely to be killed if black..why not point out the rest, which is it is most likely a member of the same race who will be killing you?
The problem is I'm white..I can't talk about this. Or..well, I can, but it means something different if it comes from a person within the community.
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I posted the polling on this, before, that matched what you're saying, here.
Blacks don't trust the police, education, and government compared to whites and other race demographics. I don't feel like putting in the work to find that research but it is there.
Edit - Yes, "another black man is a black man's worst enemy in America." That's the saying.
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Black people and black communities also have good reason to not trust the police, education system and the government, because they get short changed on all of these as compared to White Americans.
Compare and contrast the Hispanic population in America with the black population.
SES?
Income?
Health?
Crime Rates?
Education rates?
etc.
I'm interested to see where they are similar and where they are different. That might be relevant to this thread and could help make the points more solid.
yea i'm really not sure about that. i'm not saying they're not related at all but i don't think the main cause of gang violence is a distrust for the police.
i mean i know that maybe historically the crips started out of a mistrust for the police and things like that
but modern day gangs act more like cartels geared for profit. and in some cases they blur racial lines so long as the members are loyal to the gang itself
i don't think it's the fact that victims of gang violence are scared of the cops that they don't call the police
in many cases victims of gang violence are other competing gangsters, and in cases where innocent people are killed but won't snitch it's more because they doubt the police can protect them from the gangs
and that is similar to what you were saying but not quite the same... putting cameras on police won't make them any more capable of protecting you from a gang
the only way to address gang violence is to address the underlying incentives to join gangs
and maybe some of that work is to be done in the police department, but i'd say the majority of it is outside their scope of influence.
I'd argue that Hispanics are a much broader group than blacks are, much harder to pin down. I mean, for one thing, many Hispanics would count as black.
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i dunno if that's really a good ideology to promote... not that you're necessarily wrong, statistically. but if we take statistical averages and use that as a blanket condemnation of one particular group of people, then you could just as easily justify the racial profiling the cops are guilty of as you could justify the black community's distrust of the police.
this all reminds me of a news piece i saw a while back from my hometown.. just a little friendly public service announcement to the black community that not all cops are bad
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"and all we have to do is keep our hand in his hand, and he will always provide, and just know: that just because you see uniform, we are here for you"
That's not really the case at all. A lot of the reason why people in our communities don't call the police isn't due to fear of Police violence, it's due to fear of reprisals by the people they're calling the Police on and the Police not being able to protect them from street retaliation (i.e., snitches get stitches/"Stop Snitchin"). Most of the violence comes from drug trafficking/turf violence, gang violence, and theft. Police violence is part of the pie, but it's a much smaller part. Like maybe 20% max being generous. This is a very faulty narrative to push man.
It doesn't change the fact the biggest killer of blacks is blacks and yet they will only riot when a white guy kills a black man. They won't even wait until the autopsy reports, etc. are out to know whether or not a killing was justified, the automatic assumption is the person must of been innocent because they were black and the cop was white.
Also, you just proved a good point because people always want to point the finger elsewhere whenever these problems are brought up. Am I saying your reasoning is not a factor? No, but I'm saying it usually comes down to pointing the finger at others for the problems within the community.
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I'm not arguing against a statistic, I'm simply explaining why that statistic is the way it is, and it isn't because blacks are inherently more violent. I wish people who bring up the black murder rate would just man up and admit that that's what they're trying to say.
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People will riot if a person charged with protection of citizens kills a citizen in what appears to be unjust circumstances and without any official consequences due to their actions.
So then why do I not see riots every day in Chicago over the black kids killed by black gang members who never face consequences?
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