My phone died typing a response. I need a new cord, **** is this annoying. Anyway.
Missiles are the only ones that require a chemical reaction to reach full climax, and those and bombs are one of the few things in comics to actually require or heavily rely on collateral damage in comics. Because they are usually meant to take out large areas of space, contrary to a fight where you just need to bang punch the opponent, more often than not.
Comic writers are largely inconsistent between each other, and since I know this is going to Dragonball, the series doesn't change hands every second appearance.
But since you asked, collateral damage also relies on context. The context is Odin had a galaxy shattering fight with Seth. Who is largely a big dumb powerless beaver. So while it shows Seth could destroy a galaxy, we could infer it was largely due to scope and you'd have a hard time arguing he could beat Thanos for example. Or, it was just an outlier and is Seth's highest feat ever if we put stock in that sort of thing.
Not sure what you're getting at with In-Betweener, but he's a universal creator and was tearing apart the multiverse. Again, high feats.
Thanos' body tanked a galaxy destroying attacking while he was dying... that being said, we have a statement that says Thanos going kablooey would only destroy a moon iirc. Yet he's destroyed a planet against Drax, and that's it. Thanos' attacks are largely directed at Thanos' opponents. We will likely never get his full power destroying a solar system because that's not the type of character he is. Thanos' power lies in overpowering other people who can effect larger areas of mass or space. Doomsday, Mangog, and others along this vein follow in his tracks.
Theoretically a whatever destroying attack would only need to destroy the most durable object in the whatever spread over a large distance. But it's hard to quantify that, as the power would be greatest closest to detonation. A galaxy destroying attack would do more damage to a being if him and the blast were trapped in Carver's closet than if the galaxy destroying attack hit someone out in the open. It'd look pretty, and it'd raise questions, but if we knew for a fact that were the case, then we could say that for fact (ignoring variables).
What this means, that if comics were all written by one dude who had Odin tank galaxy destroyers in his first appearance, we could assume every attack that knocked him out had more power per area even if it failed to blow up Carver's toe that stuck out of his worn in shoe, that was in the open not 12 feet away.
But the good thing here is that the missiles never detonated full force, and therefore we have no depth of power to quantify.
The only thing you can really use to judge the power of galaxy destroyers vs others, is we assume an instaneous destruction is more powerful than a chain reaction.
I also don't remember the specifics of Goku taking Beerus's energy ball, nor do I care to look it up.
My thoughts on that debate were posted in the thread, and then promptly sidestepped over in order to argue against Gogeta. That being said, an energy attack carries all the power it needs to in its initial attack. Only when it's specifically stated to have the main damage dealer being an explosion can we assume the initial attack is miniscule in comparison. Because Dragon Ball is not a missile. There are attacks that raise questions, but that leads into assumption land.
Is an attack only powerful because it blows up, or because it's a dense killing ball of power that if spread out in an explosion packs enough power to destroy the universe?
SSJG was BZing a lot of people. Realitywarper, for one. Pretty epic temper tantrum. Demanded the losers get banned for life.
And no, I didn't accept. The way he was acting, why should I? He made Carver look reasonable, and he's the most unreasonable dumb**** on this site.
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So, on a few skims, it sums up to missiles and bombs are simply different cases, because of how they function, and energy attacks aren't really comparable. And that there's a good reason not to take collateral damage at face value.
Say, like Vegeta's suicide attack on Buu seeming to only have an area of energy comparable to a nuke, even though we know he's certainly capable of busting planets, and is supposed to be putting every last bit of energy behind this attack.
I'm way too tired to try picking at this, and tbh I'm not sure I want to.. It's a pretty good argument, imo.
But I have to tip my hat at the effort you put into it. Especially for this thread.
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Because he's never survived galaxy busting+? Which is all UI Goku showed at most, judging by the mini Galaxy he created.. assuming it was an actual Galaxy, and not a galaxy looking construct of energy in miniature.
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There. That's the released energies of the Source Wall that Superman took unprotected. As Metron claims here, who was shielded by Infinity Man.
That's a MULTIVERSAL cosmic power. A fantastic durability feat.
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Do you see that glass material that is cracking around Superman? That was a shield covered around his entire body. The force was enough to crack the shield but we don't even know if Superman felt any of that. Unusable th3.
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