I think Beni meant that Nox defeated Thanaton and injured him first before dominating him (obviously assuming Nox didn't tire at all from the fight, which seems reasonable).
If Nox is so good she can cripple his ass without effort or tiring out herself then I think the feat stands.
Obviously though, you can watch the scene and see that Thanaton wasn't visibly effected and there's nothing indicating he was weakened. She also beat his ass on Corellia and he's able to just stand up and fly away.
Well, he might not have been injured (just tired to some extent), but it's clear he was losing at that point already.
I don't think it really matters, though. With Nox fully tapping into the power of the four ghosts, a full-health Thanaton stands about as much chance as the one that got ragdolled.
To be frank Beni, Nox defeated Thanaton on Corellia, as others have stated, without tapping the full power of the ghosts. Granted your statement would be entirely accurate if say.... Khem ran in and blindsided Thanaton like he did Zash to weaken him before the fight. Sure, point conceded. But when it was Nox beating him to do the weakening itself... it doesn't make all that much sense, despite me seeing what you were going for. It is simply the fact that we are dealing with the same two combatants in both cases that make it null and void.
Nox also lets him stand up, recover and gather his power for as long as he wants to. Consider that Dooku was able to significantly recover his depleted powers very quickly when given room to breathe, I doubt Thanaton was that impacted, if at all.
I don't know what you're referring to concerning Dooku but fact is Nox didn't straight up pwn him on Corellia, and he didn't straight up pwn him on Korriban. In both instances he engaged him in a prolonged and presumably heated struggle first, and only after that was he able to dominate him.
Ergo he can only dominate him after wearing him down, and Thanaton was not at full strength when he did. Pretty simple. You're alternate conclusion is based on speculation and personal interpretation.
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In RotS Dooku is getting dominated by Anakin and so Force exhausted his vision was dimming, then he gets a moment and basically bounces back up to near full. And Nox pretty much did pwn him on Corellia, she walks in, beats the shit out of his elite guard then beats Darth Whatever then beats Thanaton in a straight row. And there's nothing indicating a prolonged duel or that at any point Thanaton pressed Nox, those fights happen in gameplay. For all we know the fight we have as players was equivalent to Nox zapping him in the nuts for 4 seconds. Comparably, Baras vs the Wrath was shown to be you wearing him down through multiple cutscenes and fights.
You're the one speculating. There's no indication of Nox wearing him down. If anything Nox wasn't at full strength since she has to fight through Thanaton's welcoming committee before him. She still beats him effortlessly.
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Nox is a suitably good swordsman, he/she would have to be to perform as an assassin. Dooku would take sabers certainly but he wouldn't easily win as suggested.
Nox however has the combination of esoteric knowledge, mastery of the Dark Side and overwhelmingly dominating strength to win any Force contest Dooku attempts.
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Well Beni there is, surprisingly a tier of contest between ROFL-stomp and evenly-matched, known as out-matched. Thanaton VS Nox fits into this tier. Sarcasm aside about the "surprise", you do seem to be touching more into game-play where the "heated struggle" is concerned. Harkening back to something I said about even Sith Acolyte "strong" tier enemies in SWTOR being able to force-choke you as their stun move, whereas we all but know in a more.... RP-ish fashion Nox/Dooku/etc would laugh off such things. We don't know the length of their fight, the fight itself is game-play, what we do know is the outcome on Corellia is Thanaton feeling so outmatched he flees. Highlighted to the point you get a mail from the Moff titled explicitly "He FLED!?" or other such nonsense. I did not mean Thanaton "healed to full" (if that was directed at me and not Neph) but he was (relatively) calmly speaking and making a case before the Dark Council. Not limping around the room moaning "Oh I am so worn-down even someone far below me could finish me off." (< Hyperbole)
Onto the end-game fight: Regardless of whether he "healed to full" or not, as far as the storyline is concerned you DIDN'T go to the fleet, run a raid, grab a smoothie, dance with some Twilek dancing girls, gamble half your fortune away in a bid to get the Kingpin armor set... (Damn casino >.> ).. REST, or any of that. You directly followed Thanaton. So closely in fact you arrive while he is speaking to the DC. So any loss of stamina on Thanaton's part you have to apply to Nox as well in this case. (Which it did not seem like Nox or Thanaton were tired) Not to mention, at the end of the final fight if Thanaton is worn-down as Beni claims and STILL has enough power left to create that swirling, twisting Maelstrom of malevolent force-energy that Nox walked through.... then it's frankly even better for Thanaton, and thus Nox who just once-again not only beat Thanaton but also, again, fought lackeys just before the fight.
But back to the main point: All-in-All, it comes down to one's pre-conceptions and opinion as to whether or not Nox is superior to Dooku in either category. General consensus being Dooku > Nox in sabers at least. Force Power seems more split. Thus the intent of comparing Thanaton and Dooku, as Thanaton is Nox's biggest static-comparison. I recall Dooku using Force-Flight before, same as Thanaton did. However, I am unsure as to whether or not Dooku did so after losing a fight, and summoning strikes of lightning along with it. (Granted I wouldn't necessarily say one was wrong if they said that was just to make it look cooler as far as the lightning is concerned tbh. It just depends on whether you take it at face-value os lightning, or be a pessimist and "Pfft" at it.)
Both have shown feats with FL, Dooku's being that he made Yoda give some sort of... (Variable) effort in pushing it back at him, incapacitating Anakin with it as well as applying TK simultaneously. I will admit I am less sure of his EU FL feats, but as far as I was aware they weren't anything like comparing Sidious' movie-lightning to his DE Storms. (IE: A megaton load of disparity) Thus they were around the same caliber. Not bad feats at all, and his TK is arguably more impressive. Flinging Obi-Wan across a room like a rag-doll and dropping a walk-way on him rather easily, and in short-order. Aforementioned TK/FL combo. If I am not mistaken in TCW he also actively pushes the likes of Anakin around mid-fight when they are prepared for it. Again, very impressive.
While I know full-well Beni favors the "Just because they didn't does not mean they can't" evidence-responsibility-shift to the one arguing the negative, and while I do not necessarily disagree with this, once again, it all depends on what line of logic one chooses to follow. Do I think Dooku could summon such a maelstrom? No. (Once again, you are free to say "Well Dooku COULD he just didn't because reasons. This not even getting into the fact I am well aware showing Dooku doing that would have run the movie/show budgets up a lot for the effects. Same as people commenting on how SLOW Vader and Kenobi are in Episode 4, and it is generally accepted they are much faster, that was just limitations of the times.) Anyways, am I saying Nox would utterly dominate Dooku? No. What I am saying is Dooku is likely at least near Thanaton in Force, likely below imo, but leagues ahead in sabers > Thanaton. Dooku is smart, crafty, an excellent battlefield manipulator, etc. However, Nox's defense against lightning is shown to be able to handle, and shrug off, powerful blasts/storms arguably equal to or above Dooku, as if they were nuisances. Completely penetrate the defenses of powerful force-users and stop their use of the saber. (Again, this feat's worth is again, up to your line of thinking. Degraded if you believe Thanaton is insanely tired and having an off-day. Held at face-value if you believe he is in fighting condition). But again this is Thanaton, and not Dooku, and I know things would not happen the exact same way. I simply think they would be similar in the infinitesimal amount of outcomes we can conjecture about all day long, when Nox thoroughly dominates someone comparable to Dooku in force abilities, to the point saber seem moot on neutral ground such as this
(*Sips some cocoa and sighs* On a side note, this is a lot of fun.)
I like how the guy who's consistently bested some of the most powerful people in the mythos with the Force is also weaker than the guy who was made to look like a total *****, at close to full strength according to you, by someone who was casually TK'd, along with several other people, by Revan. TOR wank is unreal in here right now.
Aug 21st, 2015 09:34 AM
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