He's no hulk rager, but he does let his temper loose. Which allows me to unlock the ALE. The water hand will give me a means of using it (much like the Pied Piper's Flute).
Most of the power of the Ale is denied by the rules (no reality manipulation). However the ability to use it to control sentient life to a degree and the showing of a maddened Scot Free causing pain to both Superman and Orion. These are within the rules.
In my second before the battle starts I will raise a shield with Mother box.
Using the water hand I will flood the colesium with water to use as as a weapon. I will open a vortex with the hand (which can create a vortex to any place that has water through the lady of the lake), to get this water.
Partial knowledge of how the anti life works is all one needs to counter it. While none of the other amalgams in this round have a means of acquiring that Knowledge the starheart does give Abhi the means.
I know that some Judges were consulted in relation to my strategy of using the ALE and that while my character choice was OK'd they were against the ALE. I presented to ID that the ALE was defensible and as shown here it is. This here and now will forever quiet any talk about the ALE being a rule breaker. There is no amping done here merely an unlock. As I stated the only time Scot could use it was when his wife was killed and as I don't bring her to the party this is not possible here. Remember this is the guy who endured Granny Goodness' "love" and still remained positive and full of Hope. This is the guy who the pitt's of Apokalips couldn't break the spirit of.
Abhi will doubtless have an attack of an army of constructs. An army that will be met by a counter army of water constructs all made up of the anti magic water hand under which "magic withers and dies".
Ahh Abhi, nice try but unfortunately it falls short.
So now to the holes in your argument. freezing water hand
So your would freeze the water hand and eliminate it would you?? Let's see ow that worked out for Marauder when the tale continued in issue 24 of Version 6.
That there is one of hundreds of times that Scot Free has been in the void of space with nothing to protect him but his equipment (before he ascended to the Alpha effect). Equipment both of his suit and his mother box. The void of space where the temperature is only 2.7 degrees above "Absolute zero". 2.7 away IS almost (or as close as you can get). This tactic is just a fail, and will do nothing for you.
magnetically removing mother box
1.In your own scans the MB was shown able to return to Scot and continue to aid him.
2. The only thing that delayed that was the wrapping that disabled it until Barda was able to remove it. Wrapping that also disables Supes. Wrapping you don't have.
3. Without said wrapping the MB can still operate and doesn't need to be near Scot to do so. It is after all sentient.
4. Scot didn't have a protective shield up in that scan as he did here before the battle started.
In short also a fail.
The rest of your strategy falls apart because you can't enact it. So what did you achieve
Well frankly you made things pretty hard for yourself.
You managed to freeze all the water I flooded the Colesium with entrapping you within it.
You managed to seal yourself in 100,000 cubic meters (91900 tonnes) of ICE.
Ice that is made up of water that my character build has complete control over
Ice that because of that control will counter the magic of Jade (make it wither)
Absolutely brilliant move.
The rest of your strategy falls apart because you can't enact it.
The only one freezing is you as the temperature change didn't even get close to me.
You haven't penetrated my protections so drawing out life energy (which wouldn't be possible anyway since the water hand is linked to life energy which is why Arthur can heal with it, and could easily be replaced) simply isn't going to work.
With it Scot could trap even Darkseid (who is vastly above your build), even if he couldn't trap or control his soul. Could Fre3eeze Sup
There are literally dozens of ways i could shatter the ice. With Mother Box, Multi Cube, vibration wave generators in Scot's gloves, his lasers, or simply the water hand.
This will bring 91,900 tonnes of ice crashing down on your head. A head I might add that will by this point only have the power of Magneto. A magneto who may be struggling to concetrate with all that cold.
While this ice is crashing down on you I will have all the tricks of the multi cube attack
Project Alpha waves to sedate you
Project vibrational waves to weaken your force fields
the water hand extended in tendril form (as Arthur did many times in this time) and remove your helmet.
Bye bye TP protection. Good luck trying to concetrate to hold off all that Ice whiel my TP is giving you a seizure
This continued ( or was supposed to) about how it froze Superman and Orion. Both undeniably high herald. The fact that it froze both easily proves it could have equally immobilized an amalgam of the two. Using the Alr immobilized two high heralds and one above. Easily leaving your amalgam at my mercy. You'll notice in the scans where Scot confronted Darkseid he didn't even bring his omega beams into play.
This should be a pretty easy as well as interesting debate on Abhi's part. All he (the pre-eminent Supeman defender on this site or almost any other) has to do is contradict everything he's ever said about Superman. He has to prove that Magneto is more powerful than Superman. Should be a pretty easy task given the knowledge he has on Supes I would think. That's. Debate I'm eager to see him offer
So we've seen the context of the scans he sold as a means of attacking my build doesn't work for him. Freezing the hand isn't a win, and won't happen due to the protective field that can and has protected from near absolute zero.
The magnetic removal of MB from Scot was only effective because of another means of disabling it that his build doesn't have.
Then we have his scan of Cosmic boy vs Orion. Interesting isn't it that he specifically asked about whether I was limited to only the feats for scot's MB but to make a case has to use attacks against other New Gods. Let's look at this objectively too.
1.Orion has a history of operating in combat without even employing his MB, compared to Scot who has a history of relying heavily on it.
2. MB's are how new gods boom tube so the scan itself actually proves that magnetics in no way hamper it's operation.
In the scans in my OP we see Arthur using the water hand to go internal into Blackmanta's heD and effectively fix him. Internal attacks are also on the table for me here. Judges This is an option not the attack I'm presenting ATM. I wouldn't want to suffer a second round for doing too many things at once.
So now let's all wait with bated breath for the biggest superman defender on any board to show us how magneto is greater than him. Remember judges magneto is all Abhi has to play with since anythin Jade brings to the table is undone by the waterhand
My magnetism allows me to control even psis like Xavier and Jean along with everyone else in the group.
You don't stand a chance against it.
With absolute concentration. Which you won't get here.
That there is one of hundreds of times that Scot Free has been in the void of space with nothing to protect him but his equipment (before he ascended to the Alpha effect). Equipment both of his suit and his mother box. The void of space where the temperature is only 2.7 degrees above "Absolute zero". 2.7 away IS almost (or as close as you can get). This tactic is just a fail, and will do nothing for you.[/quote]
What the hell? How does Scott being in space has anything to do with the fact that the hand got frozen and shattered casually?
Only when Barda removed the bindings.
In a large amount. The wrappings which disabled the MB was torn apart by Barda. Anyway Magneto's fields can disable Hulk and Dr. Strange.
So, no he wouldn't be struggling with cold at all.
That's your plan? Where nothing actually works? Pity.
What are you trying here? Bore me to defeat? And the wrapping which disabled MB was easily torn apart by Barda. So, no it doesn't takes Superman binding wrappings to disable MB unless you think Barda was stronger than Superman.
ALE is illegal here. You don't have the water hand as I shattered it long ago.
You don't have anything here.
This is fun.
Only a bitter little adolescent boy would confuse realism with pessimism
Dude, Arthur’s water hand undoes magic. All Jade is, is magic. Her part of your amalgum will be doing nothing of consequence.
Funny how in the rest of Issue 15 and 16 of Defenders he couldn’t repeat it. Also he wasn’t alone in that assault. In fact all it took for the defenders to break his magnetic field was to focus on a single thought through TP.
Dude have a read of what I said. The only time I’m actually using TP is after I remove his protection (the helmet). Without it he has stuff all feats of resisting TP. Hell there are feats of him succumbing to TP even with it (like to Rachel)
Are you suddenly not human?? Do you no longer consist of 90% water?? I don’t have to get water through your shields, If your in them then so is water
Dimensional travel isn’t always about leaving. In my case I used it to bring something to me.
No you didn’t and I’ll take this oportunity to answer your other question on this.
The temperature in space is almost absolute Zero. Your plan to deal with the water hand is to lower the temperature to near absolute zero. The fact that Scot’s protective fields deal with that sort of temperature all the time and the fact that I raised a “shield” in prep ( and I said shield not electric shield. Some of the scans I posted only referred to a protective shield while others were more specific in nature of the type of shield) means that your feezing temperature wont affect me.
So it’s not
This one is funny. The fact that Magento Stated that Northstar who on feats is vastly faster then his son is slower just proves it PIS.
Again based on an assumption that I’m creating a electric field when all I said was “shield”
Because alpha waves are just like what Xavier does aren’t they??
I’d suggest if your going to call something a rule breaker that you keep up with them. ID had this to say on the matter in the “odd’s thread” on page 53
There was also a discussion for a few pages in the mid 50’s (56/7 I think) after I started asking questions. Just to tee everyone up.
Simple fact is I had my whole amalagam and strategy run by ID pre start up. He approved the Ale, the only thing I didn’t run by him he omitted from my OP because it was a rule breaker. I summoned actual characters which I though was OK because Scot’s MB had done it, they were below the limit set for summons and I was using the Ale to make them zombie controlled. ID viewed it as outside help. Didn't matter much.
Interesting fact. Arthur’s TP is nothing like Xaviers or Jean’s. he has used it against beings with strong TP and strong TP resistance before with Success. Mainly because it operates on the autonomic part of the brain. After all his TP allows him to communicate with life forms that aren’t higher thinking.
Bindings you don’t have. The only mention of “magnetics” in your scans was Scot referring to MB using a counter magnetic field. If it had been magnetics that were doing the damage the counter field would have dealt with it. In your other scan Orion boom tubed away even under the magnetic field of Cosmic boy. Clearly magnetics didn’t affect his mother box, because that is how he boom tubes.
Again from defensers 15, and me a Defenders fan boy. Try actually reading the scan. His magnetis in that issue were nullified while he was in the core of the planet. He was being held by a field the Avengers created. THAT is what could take the pressure at the core of the earth.
Well first I do have my hand, your attack was a fail it can’t get through force fields proven to protect against near absolute zero. Second I have a force field up. Third I have the Ale that can contain even Darksied and his Omega beams apparently aren’t effective against it either, third Arthur has withstood the pressure at the bottom of the magelliean trench.
So even though Darksied who can use his Omega effect to disintergrate high heralds (which Magneto isn’t) can’t do Bupkiss against Scot with the Ale and you somehow can. As for control the blood flow, I can do that with the control I have over water. Your body is after all 90% water.
Unfortunately for you it is. I’m not allowed to use it’s reality warping because that is against the rules. But it’s at my disposal because it is an unlocked power that doesn’t fall under amping (as discussed in pages 56/7/8 of the odd’s thread.
Magento himself stated in panel 3 Orroro almost had him but she held back. Arthur isn’t as restrained as Ororro by any means.
WOW way to miss the point. The whole post was in reference to how the Ale Froze Superman and Orion in their tracks with one word. Yes unfortunately my friend the Ale is allowed. All limits of what an amalgam could reach were removed some time ago. I cleared every bit of using the Ale and some of the judges were consulted. I even made a big point of bringing it up in the discussion thread to warn all players and we discussed it for a few pages.
Magic is useless against the water hand and so is Jade http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...se
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You didn’t succeed in your attempt to deal with the hand and it cost you. The protective field of MB which protects Scot from near absolute zero temperature of space will protect the hand. And the hand will make Jade’s half of your amalgum useless
As for magnetism http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...netic+field.jpg
This is ironically from the same issue of Defenders you’ve grabbed most of your scans. This is how easily the defenders were able to break Magneto’s magnetic fields.
That Single thought with the added focus of the Ale (which I am allowed) focused through Arthur’s TP which is amped by the water hand will Undo Mag’s protection and you whole world comes tumbling down. Your powerless and screwed
Good luck negating starheart though. Some random magic negation doesn't gets you to negate all magic no matter how powerful. Its no limit fallacy at the best. She is powered by one half of starheart here. Post a feat of Arthur negating magic at that level.
Using Xavier and Strange. You don't have that level of mental power. And yes, he was alone able to KO Hulk and Strange.
And how are you going to remove my helpmet through my force field?
No, it doesn't. You can't get through my shields whic are composed of Starheart and magnetism when nobody in DCU can get through it.
Jade's shields are totally impregnable. Show me Arthur manipulating someone's water in their body inside a force field.
No it didn't. The only shield you raised were electric shields. In the second you posted Scott asking MB to create a force field with no scans of the actual force field. Post the full scan or issue number so I can post it. At this point you have no shields as I absorbed your electrical shields.
Irrelevant observatio. Are you as fast as Northstar?
Because the only shield scans you posted were of electric shield.
They are more powerful by feats.
Nope. ALE is too powerful to be in this tourney.
I don't care what it is. You don't get to use ****ing ALE's full pwoer. Scott destroyed entire source wall with one blast FFS whose just shockwaves knocked out Superman. That is just too powerful.
Yes, they are far more powerful than Aquaman.
So, no Arthur can't affect Magneto. Not even close.
How rubbish. The bindings were magnetic in nature. That's why MB tried to create a reverse magnetic field and failed.
You aren't suggesting normal wrappings disabled MB, did you? Because Magneto can simply bind MB in a metal and be done with it then.
Here he can't boom tube away. MB was total helpless against magnetic field otherwise.
And what happened when he destroyed that dome? His own field took the pressure of entire planet. You try reading carefully next time.
No, it didn't. Just because you go into space doesn't mean you are immune to near absolute zero level temprature.
ALE isn't legal for this tourney.
ALE is a different character altogether as shown in my scans. At present you have amalgam of three characters, Aquaman, Scott Free and ALE entity. ALE entity isn't allowed as per the rules of the tourney no matter how much you whine about it.
You are bring up total red herrings here.
No you can't. Post Arthur controlling blood flow in someone's body. ALE isn't allowed here for the last time.
Its not an unlocked power. Scott was allowed to keep ALE by Source. As soon as he destroyed the source wall, he was stripped of its power. Its a total separate entity.
So, no you are not allowed to use ALE.
Without his shields. He has his shields up here.
Good thing is Jade isn't solely powered by starheart here.
No it didn't. I have absorbed your electric shield and shattered your hand a long time ago. You are just in denial.
That wasn't Magneto focusing on his shield. He was simply storing that magnetic field by a globe and went away to create his mutant.
And here he is. So no, that scan isn't actually relevant here.
Nope. You don't have ALE, your TP is nothing compared to Xavier, you don't have your water hand, your consciousness has been stopped by blood in brain and you are getting blasted to atoms by Jade and Magneto's blasts.
You are totally ****ed here.
Only a bitter little adolescent boy would confuse realism with pessimism
posting on iPhone during work break so I won't be able to put scan evidence up.
I can do all scans in final post as requested as I have the issues at home
I can only assume Abby is googling scans or relying on respect threads because this seems to be quite a bit wrong
While this certainly is an anti-life entity it has never been what Scott free calls upon. In cosmic odyssey Metron used the anti-life equation to travel to anti life force, it was then that he discovered the entity. He is doing so allowed the entity to send aspects of itself to the DC universe proper. It could only send aspects because it could not its self travel to them.
At the end of that mini Dr fate combine his power with that of high father Orion Etrigan and Darkseid to destroy dimension preventing the entity from ever again reaching the proper universe.
This was compounded in in
Judges I ask you, if I have access to such great power, why haven’t I used it??? The answer is simple, I don’t. The power of the anti life EQUATION requires two things. Knowledge of the equation AND the dark emotions that allow one to use it. Scot is stated to be the “purest heart” of all the new God’s (Metron’s words from D.O.N.G). That’s why he was able to endure Granny’s orphanage and the pits of apokalips without being crushed. When his wife Barda was killed ALL his dark emotions were let out http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...secret.jpg.html
You may remember from an earlier scan I showed that Darksied had a “portion” of the Ale while Scot had all of it. Scot was accessing all of it because EVERY dark emotion was opened like a sore. All I have is Arthur’s anger, his arrogance etc. It gives me a portion of the power (less than Darkseid had in that scan) but it does allow me to use some.
I don’t and never had had “abstract level power” nor do I access anyone other than who I have in my build. What I do have is power enough to easily destroy the shields created by Abhi’s build (which to be safe I’m only using that power to enact a canon example of just that thing being done) and to immobilize him. Jade , Magic, Level
Abhi would have us first believe that the water hand doesn’t undo magic. So we are just to ignore the scans provided that prove other wise?? BTW this is the link that failed.
Sorcery doesn’t affect creatures of the secret sea. The water hand is a creature of the secret sea and that’s why the Thirst couldn’t directly attack Arthur because he was the antithesis of the thirst.
Nothing in Abhi’s scan changes the fact that her power comes from the star heart (that was why it still could control her). So what if the person herself has changed, her power is still magic.
Jade has NEVER had ½ the star heart. Alan clearly has on feats vastly greater access to it than she does. Her Brother also has star heart power.
The Star heart isn’t “ALL of the magic”. If it were where exactly do all the other DCU mystics get there power from ??? What it si, is all the Chaotic energy that the Guardians could find in the universe at one point in time.
Abhi has asked for scans of someone of “Jade’s level” in magic?? AHHH already provided. Tempest is a low Herald because of his sorcery. Jade is a low herald also. If he isn’t on her level, than clearly Jade is over the limit (because unlike the ALE Jade was an actual draft that has limits NOT a power unlocked) force field / electric field
In my write up I provided a scan of Scot asking Mother box to create a “protective force field” http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...ox%204.jpg.html
it protected from heat which an “electric field” wouldn’t.
Judges the rules state that
If I know I face a character capable of controlling the entire electromagnetic spectrum why would I create a shield that he can casually play with when I can create a shield he can’t??? Magnetic manipulation of mother box
Judges Abhi would like you to believe that the “wrapping” of his scans is purely magnetic (or electro magnetic) force. This simply doesn’t make sense. I ask you judges if it is nothing more than a magnetic force containing and negating their powers why does it have the effect is does on Superman??? Superman after all has escaped a black hole. He has carried a mini quantum singularity through space (a mini black hole).
Judges How can mere magnetic force hold a being capable of such things??
Why did a force of this level not prevent Barda ( a being vastly below this level) from tearing the wrapping free so easily?? Any magnetic force that can hold Superman cannot be undone the way Barda did. Add to which if it was as Abhi suggest purely magnetics then where is the evidence that Magneto is capable of this level. Judges I would suggest that if Magneto can wield magnetic force greater than that of a black hole than he isn’t “LOW HERALD”. As I stated all along, all Abhi needs to do to sell this argument is prove that Mag’s is >>>>>> Superman. Should be simple for him.
now that I’ve covered everything I intended to in post 4 time counter possible arguments my opponent may yet raise
Judges I expect that Abhi may now raise the validity of Arthur having the “anger and dark emotion” to unlock the ale, due to the version chosen. In all honesty there would be a small element of validity to this. The fact is Arthur cannot use ager through the water hand without it undermining it’s power. http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...?sort=3&o=0
If he uses anger through the hand to forge a weapon it undermines it’s power. You will notice judges that I haven’t done this. Arthur can alter the density of the water hand to create constructs out of water. I could have used this but I haven’t because that would undermine a greater utility in my build http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...0usual.jpg.html
As seen here as long as I don’t wield anger “THROUGH” the hand I can still use Arthur’s anger as the unlock for the Ale. There are countless other instances of Arthur showing Anger and other dark emotions post his battle with the Thirst. http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...?sort=3&o=5 http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...?sort=3&o=4 http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...?sort=3&o=3 http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...?sort=3&o=2 http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...?sort=3&o=1 http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/b...?sort=3&o=0
These are all examples of Arthur using Anger and the darker emotions/thoughts that would allow him to access a portion of the equation. closing
Judges my opponent has tried to present my build as rule breaking while trying to present his own character choices as above the limits set for amalgams.
He has presented no defence to the attacks that I have mounted except to say they don’t work (contrary to evidence) and that they break rules (that the tourney host has allowed and my own use of them has not shown).
His own attacks like freezing the water hand fail because he has not presented a way of circumventing the defence to such a thing I set up in the minute prep allowed.
So, you used Scott Free merged with a different character ALE which is the half part of Source. That makes your amalgam of three characters, ALE, Scott and Arthur with abstract level powers.
Total illegal as per the rules of the tourney. I don't care what power you use or don't use. This is not three character amalgam tourney with abstract level powers.
You have chosen Scott Free as your character, not Scott Free merged with ALE. Those are two different characters with different powers. This is a totally illegal move and I will not respond to any attack coming from ALE.
It flat out couldn't. That's what made Jade unique. FFS, can you even read the scan?
So, no its not entirely magic. And so, Arthur can't negate that portion of her power.
She defeated Alan with totality of starheart and Alan wasn't able to pierce her shield. So, no he doesn't.
That's some ABC example. Tempest can't make shields that not even Superman can break. And ALE isn't a power unlocked, it was given to Scott Free by The Source in DOTNG.
The only shield scans you posted were of electric shield.
Who the **** cares? Post a scan where he created a shield which is not electric.
This is such a circular logic, I can't even try to get what you're trying to prove here.
Magneto disables Mother Box as it has already been disabled by magnetic wrappings by a magnetic force-field. You have posted no counter to it.
This is a mess. What are you trying to do here?
At the end, I'll wrap up my points:
ALE is not allowed as per the tourney rules.
You have posted no counters for Magneto shattering water hand, disabling Mother Box, freezing you solid, draining your life force, making you immobile by manipulating iron in your body and blasting you to bits.
You have made no counters for Magneto simply absorbing your force field which is electric in nature.
You have made no counters to how you would breach Magneto or Jade's shields.
You have made no points at all to how you would actually beat me.
You have made no arguments at all.
You have already lost.
Only a bitter little adolescent boy would confuse realism with pessimism
My PM is out, Judgement has come! Sorry guys that it took me so long but you both did a good job and made it hard for me to decide. Props to you beatboks and to you too Abhi, you are in my eyes both winners. ^^