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That's more concealed rage. I can be angry, but never unleash it. It's just dormant. That's inner anger/darkness. So again Mace wouldn't have enough energy form Vader to be able to beat him. I'm not saying this is a factual thing, but mace would have better luck with a Juyo or Ataru specialist. Most Juyo due to it being the former closest to the dark side.
Well I u detested and agree, but being in Anakins position, Windu did know he had some problems, however not a real good excuse. So even if his inner darkness is high, Vader's darkness that he lets out isn't.
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That doesn't make the canon feats any less canon. He's slow. Painfully slow and far less agile than pre suit. The rule is we don't have to use the eu since it's not canon. You break the movie versus rules all the time which is film feats only, hypocrite.
The script of ANH describes Vader as making lightning-fast movements, and in the majority of the EU Vader is still depicted as relatively fast (agile is another thing, but Vader has been depicted as agile before a swell). No idea why people still hang on to the belief that Vader is as slow as a sloth.
If we're looking for Canon speed feats for Vader, LotS has some nice ones (and nice ones for agility).
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In this forum we go by both canon and Expanded universe, and you can't rely on the movies for an accurate depiction of Vader's speed due to the lack of technology available to Lucas at the time, and how limited they are to Humana problems. Expmaded universe gives a better view of his speed, and his peed surpasses a lot of people, even top tier deulist. He was able to match more agile deulist so you underestimate his speed. Actually I don't break the rules. You should pay more attention. I only use the books when the books are put in my face first. So you admit you break the rules?
Also he's never been shown to have a speed problem in the movies. He's always been able to handle speed.
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Yes, you can. We also see his slow movements in rebels. Canon counts. Read the rules. Windu wins, easily. Vader is too slow and cumbersome to even really challenge Windu. He gets wrecked faster than when Luke crushed him.
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I never said it didn't count. You just lowball people. Vader can match Windu's speed since Vader was described as moving faster than thought. Both can move incredibly fast. Vader's force powers are also greater than Windu's. Vader gets the saber, force, and all out in my book.
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We see that he didn't move faster than thought. That's hyperbolic nonsense kiddies use as debating points.
No, they aren't. Vader is angrier but the guy got wrecked by Luke. Who wrecked Mace ? On no one did in a fair fight. He had Vader's dark master begging to spare his life. Canon.
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In the suit he definitely was. Pre suit Kenobi beat him. Kenobi wasn't even allowed to go after Sidious because he's out of his league. That's the guy Windu beat.
Pre-Suit Anakin beat Dooku. Dooku fought off Yoda, proving Pre-Suit Anakin was already close to Yoda. Post-Suit Vader is more powerful than Pre-Suit as confirmed in the New Canon "Lords of the Sith."
Then Rebels Vader is even more powerful than Lords of the Sith Vader as confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group.
So yeah Rebels Vader is well above Windu.
As for when you denied anything canon? Just now when you claimed Post Suit Vader is beneath pre-suit Vader.
You see I'm better at Quanchi logic than the troll himself. Either way, I always win.
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abc logic which proves nothing since different styles have different advantages, etc.
More powerful; sure. More mobile; no.
I saw rebels Vader against scrubs such on the show with no real training he was beaten back. Windu would wreck those two while holding back so despite all your blanket statements the facts definitely don't add up.
Facts matter not general statements with regards to power; ALONE.