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Who is Snoke?
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Beniboybling
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Look, check out the making of... documentaries of the PT. Lucas explained it many times that light=balance. Not light and dark in equal measure. He's said this many times and quite explicitly.

Here's one of his quotes, if that is what you wanna do:

"Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe."
Right, and Lucas also said that said evil needs to be there, this wouldn't be the first time he's contradicted himself, or been convoluted in his expression of a concept. Fact is though the Mortis arc and arguably the Yoda arc, lay out pretty clear what balance in the Force is, and it aligns with a lot of what George has said.

We can pretend this is some kind of outlier, but it makes zero sense that because of some ****up at Lucasfilm, George wasn't consulted on easily the most important concept in Star Wars for a TV show he was active in producing, and now one of the "immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."

But maybe he was high or something. roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Lord Stark
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I thought the existence of Mortis and The Ones in TCW showed us that both sides(light and dark) are needed to maintain proper balance on a universal level..? /shrug


I mean kinda. The Father was 'grey' but really he seemed more light side than anything.


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Galan007
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The Father was the buffer/mediator between light and dark--he could keep either side in check when needed. That is the role he originally wanted Anakin to assume in his absence.

He essentially played the role of Lady Justice, with the Son and Daughter resting on each side of his scale. #Balance


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Darth Thor
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I find it difficult to believe that the kind of balance the Jedi wanted to achieve was the dark side being equal in power to the light.

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Galan007
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It doesn't seem like the Jedi necessarily care that Sith(and the like) exist in general, so long as they stay contained within their little factions/tribes and don't cause too much of a ruckus. After all, they went a decade(the span between TPM and AotC) without really even trying to seek out/destroy the remaining Sith(which they knew was still alive) in the wake of Qui-Gon's death--and they also allowed the Nightsisters to exist. The only real 'balance' the Jedi seemed to diligently protect is ensuring the dark side/Sith didn't overtake the galaxy. That is what they sought to prevent. That is what Vader's redemption and Palpatine's death 'balanced'(for a little while, at least.)

However, the death of a few Sith doesn't represent the death of the dark side as a whole. The dark side is an aspect of the force itself, after all--Sith are merely beings whole can channel that aspect. Short of nullifying the entire damned universe, the dark side itself can't be destroyed. Same with the light side, for that matter. They have to coexist in that regard. /shrug


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phinney6
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Here is a quote from the director of ROTJ back in 1983. Perhaps they are utilizing some themes loosely based on Lucas' original ideas? It would partially explain Snoke's supposed age? I just hope he isn't a Sith. Take it with a grain of salt of course.

Quote from Richard Marquand

‘If you follow the direction, and project into the final trilogy, you realize that you’re going to meet the supreme intellect, and you think how is it possible to create a man who has such profound cunning that he can not only control Darth Vader, but the fate of Luke Skywalker? Control the destiny of the whole galaxy? You’ll be amazed!’

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samhain
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Mace Windu.


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queeq
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laughing out loud


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Supposedly the novel goes into Snoke's background but not much. I heard he was around during the Clone Wars and during the rise and fall of the Empire.

This is going out on a limb here big time but do you guys think it's possible that Snoke could be the Grand Inquisitor from the Rebels show? He kinda looks like Snoke and him falling into that reactor core or whatever it was would explain how he was so messed up looking in TFA.

Or maybe I'm nuts.


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Darth Thor
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^ That theory has been around on the internet even with pictures showing their similar looks.

But I highly doubt it. Snoke should be a lot more powerful than a mere Inquisitor, and it would be very unusual for them to make the big villain of the new SW trilogy the main villain from Rebels S1.

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Well he was the top Inquisitor from what I know. He Him ranking 3rd behind Sidious & Vader isn't really a bad thing imo.


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^ That theory has been around on the internet even with pictures showing their similar looks.

But I highly doubt it. Snoke should be a lot more powerful than a mere Inquisitor, and it would be very unusual for them to make the big villain of the new SW trilogy the main villain from Rebels S1.
It appears you are right, surprised I never saw this photo yet but dam he does look like Snoke.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/im...lore-765312.jpg


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Well he was the top Inquisitor from what I know. He Him ranking 3rd behind Sidious & Vader isn't really a bad thing imo.



Yeah but there's a massive massive gap between him and them. And he wouldn't even have potential to get to their level because that would violate Sidious and Vader's rule of 2.

Also like I said I doubt they would introduce the big villain in animation first, and then in Live action. Although now that I think about it, Grievous was introduced in the clone wars cartoon before being shown in live action in ROTS.

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Galan007
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The Grand Inquisitor from Rebels was a Pau'an. As we saw in RotS, Pau'ans have very pronounced lines that run vertically across their entire face:
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Even the CG from Rebels captured this distinct feature to an extent:
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Conversely, here is a casting of Snoke's face:
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And here is his in-film depiction:
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So unless the 'accident' that mangled Snoke completely erased those lines, then he more than likely isn't the Inquisitor *thank God*.


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juggernaut74
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Man at some point in Snokes life that boy went through some sh!t. The more I think about it the less I think he is Plagueis to be honest.

One thing for sure is he's old, maybe Maz Kantana old.


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I think he's just a new character.


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I think he's just a new character.


I hope/agree.


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queeq
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Yup.


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Kazenji
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I doubt that he's Plagueis which some people have been jumping onto that bandwagon so quickly.


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if he is a new character was he ever a jedi or sith?

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