. Full powered Kuurth has an enchanted weapon, Cyttorak and Kuurth are working in unison. I don't believe that Cyttorak unknowingly gave Cain as much power as Cain willfully took from him on the 7th and 8th Day though. I would easily place 8th Day as being twice as powerful Classic sans FF, while being just as tough.
. Classic eventually wrecks nerfed Kuurth because he just keeps coming back due to the FF and strength backing.
. 8th Day throws Classic around for eternity, as neither would ever get tired. 8th Day probably wins due to being the overall most powerful.
The question here is that force field's toughness, vs how tough 8th Day's toughness was in comparison to it. I saw Thor give both pause with his best shots. Both times, these shots were barely noticed.
I have to go with 8th Day on this one. I think that he had more overall power than any Juggernaut outside of Piotr's full released form.
Cytorrak only cares about the destruction wrought in his name. He straight up says it. In those terms, then yes he's great.
In forum terms, he's a failure. Did he beat ANYONE above meta with his Juggernaut powers? At least Classic Juggs was a confirmed team wrecker and had gone up against Herald level beings.
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Again, my friend, on panel Full Relased Peter never faced off against anyone above meta. 8th Day crushed Thor (Marvel's Elite High Herald) like an insect while laughing off Mjollnir strikes.
You did leave out one more Juggernaut though : Trion. I'd place him at or above 8th day level but I'm willing to listen to counter arguments. (please log in to view the image)
IMHO (based on on panel fights and feats) :
8th Day/Trion >>> Classic Juggernaut > Dual Power Kuurth.
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Trion is clearly the most powerful version of the character. Not even 8th Day could physically punch through dimensional walls like they were tissue paper.
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^ Thor didn't try to negate Juggy's FF there. We know Mjolnir had the ability to do so, however(see Thor #429.) That's why I think Kuurth has the best chance at doing so... No way in hell you'll convince me that 8th Day is punching through it or w/e.
Sidenote:
What if 8th Day KO'd Kuurth and took his Hammer? F*ck. Me.
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Just because Mjollnir could do it, doesn't mean Kuurth's hammer could. In fact, what has Kuurth's hammer done on panel aside from mundane bashing and energy attacks?
Maybe, maybe not. Even if it's an eternal stalemate we do know 8th Day >>>> CLassic Jugs. So there's that.
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Again: I didn't say Kuurth could do it as a certainty -- just that he likely has the best shot. Imo, high-level magical enchantments have a better shot at bypassing the FF than brute force.
I agree he's much stronger, but strength doesn't count for much when you can't inflict any physical damage. /shrug
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Nul was never KO'd, this is a myth. We see him talking in space and gripping his weapon in full control. He lands back on Earth without any injury. He wasn't even fazed, he was floated.
Piotr held Cytorrak's power in check. He spoke of keeping his power in check so what we saw was a guy slightly stronger than base Colossus running around holding an enormous amount of power from spilling out. We got a taste of it when he mangled Rulk.
We've never seen his best, but he would have certainly put the boots to Thor in his released form. You can't simply ignore context, and then turn around to show Cain fighting at his best, while ignoring the fact that Piotr held the bulk of his power back Zop.
Absolutely. But again: it's purpose wasn't to negate the shield. A more specific enchantment was required for that(Again: Thor #429.)
As I have reiterated: I don't know if a negation spell would even be in Kuurth's bag of tricks. I just see him, with his high-level mystical weaponry, having a *better* shot at bypassing the shield than 8th Day.
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Colossus stated that NOBODY has ever hit him as hard as Kurth did and that was Kurth without Cytorak's power. So if a depowered Kurth can break the bones of a juggernaut who was given more power than Cain ever was (stated by Cytorak himself) until this new Cain juggernaut, I would say Kurth with both enhancements was UBER powerful and almost untouchable. Magneto had zero effect on his hammer. That's a truly impressive thing alone. I give this fight to full power Kurth, then 8th Day, then juggs
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Context. Piotr held the bulk of that power in check. For example, we saw him in his full released form, and he mangled Rulk. Colossus was nowhere near that level of power when he fought Kuurth.
WHich means nothing since Peter never succumbed. In fact, Colossunaut was overpowering Kuurth pushing him back rune by rune till they reached Kuurth's starting point.
The Serpent panicked and teleported Kuurth away from the explosion because Kuurth would have died. Colossuanut took that explosion point blank and was alive and unharmed.
I definitely go with Kuurth as the most powerful. A DP version BROKE Juggs bones (Colossus). If we assume that Cyttorak gave Colossus near full power then Kuurth should bypass Classic Juggs FF with physical force. Plus he has teleporting abilities and couldn't be BFR. The hammer was unstoppable. I believe it has a chance of physically bypassing Classic Juggs FF.
After that I go with 8th day and then Classic. I do believe that 8th day could have tanked the Godblast equally. I see no reason to believe not.
Galan I have a question.
Do you think the writer of 8th day Juggs referenced (in his mind) or at least knew about Classic Juggs feat against the Godblast?
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