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FrothByte
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Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I am well aware of that. I am merely saying that the whole concept of "Marvel vs DC" goes beyond simply this thread. A more accurate statement here would be MCU Street levelers outclass Nolanverse Street levelers. Though I am sure H1 will disagree with that as well.


I don't think H1 will admit that Baleman and Bane are just street levelers.


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Normally I would agree with you, but remember the "KK" debacle in the Miyagi/IP Man thread?


I had forgotten about that, good point.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Given WS' feats, that just means those highly skilled agents are just that good. what makes you think Baleman can beat a super soldier?


True. But that's not how fiction works. Characters often perform subpar for the sake of the plot.

Batman can win, doesn't mean he will.
The fact that Batman took out 12 thugs in 21 seconds. This shows skill, speed, and strength.
He also took out 4 highly skilled league of shadow warriors. I would say that each warrior is a peer to the agents in h2h combat


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You can't just assign them feats when they have none.

Show us the LoS warriors doing similar feats to the Agents, then you can say they're peers. Until then, they're not.

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Originally posted by h1a8
True. But that's not how fiction works. Characters often perform subpar for the sake of the plot.

Batman can win, doesn't mean he will.
The fact that Batman took out 12 thugs in 21 seconds. This shows skill, speed, and strength.
He also took out 4 highly skilled league of shadow warriors. I would say that each warrior is a peer to the agents in h2h combat


Let's battlezone it then, you can defend the league warriors and I'll defend the agents, you interested?


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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True. But that's not how fiction works. Characters often perform subpar for the sake of the plot.


So, if you think Winter Soldier was underperforming "for the sake of plot" there, what plot elements are in this match that would result in the same thing happening?


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So, if you think Winter Soldier was underperforming "for the sake of plot" there, what plot elements are in this match that would result in the same thing happening?
Well we have no way to judge his attack speed other than him fighting humans. So he could have been performing subpar or he is actually closer to their level in terms of speed and a little lesser in skill. If the former, then what evidence do we have to suggest it?


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Well we have no way to judge his attack speed other than him fighting humans. So he could have been performing subpar or he is actually closer to their level in terms of speed and a little lesser in skill. If the former, then what evidence do we have to suggest it?


Oh really now? Except he's fought Cap multiple times, he's fought Black Panther multiple times (hell, he fought both of them during that same rampage scene), and he has even fought Iron Man. And I find it funny how you act like these people gave Bucky such a hard time, but then try to act like Crossbones did nothing against Cap, in another thread, even though Bucky took all these guys down in less time than Cap took out Crossbones, during CA:CW fight.


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Oh really now? Except he's fought Cap multiple times, he's fought Black Panther multiple times (hell, he fought both of them during that same rampage scene), and he has even fought Iron Man. And I find it funny how you act like these people gave Bucky such a hard time, but then try to act like Crossbones did nothing against Cap, in another thread, even though Bucky took all these guys down in less time than Cap took out Crossbones, during CA:CW fight.
And how fast is Cap, Black panther, etc when attacking? Skilled humans have dodged and hit Cap. You are using a circular argument.

Humans did nothing to Cap and WS but dodge their attacks and manage to get a hit or two. My point was if they can then Batman and Bane certainly can.


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And how fast is Cap, Black panther, etc when attacking? Skilled humans have dodged and hit Cap. You are using a circular argument.

Humans did nothing to Cap and WS but dodge their attacks and manage to get a hit or two. My point was if they can then Batman and Bane certainly can.


Sure, let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they can land a few hits. Won't do them any good because they'll still get demolished in under a minute, either against Cap or WS.


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And how fast is Cap, Black panther, etc when attacking? Skilled humans have dodged and hit Cap. You are using a circular argument.

Humans did nothing to Cap and WS but dodge their attacks and manage to get a hit or two. My point was if they can then Batman and Bane certainly can.


Highly exceptional humans landed a small handful of hits before getting flattened. Ra's landed plenty of hits on Baleman.


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Sure, let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they can land a few hits. Won't do them any good because they'll still get demolished in under a minute, either against Cap or WS.


If he keeps insisting on using this tactic, just refer to Ra's, who repeatedly tagged Baleman, dodged or blocked some of his hits, and soaked up others.


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If he keeps insisting on using this tactic, just refer to Ra's, who repeatedly tagged Baleman, dodged or blocked some of his hits, and soaked up others.


I noticed how he actually keeps dodging Ra's. Also blamed plot device when Joker hit Batman.


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Batman didn't even beat Ra's. The train crashed and he used his cape to escape the explosion.

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Which is why he keeps dodging it. If highly skilled humans only manage to hold out against either Cap or Bucky for a few seconds, before losing, but a highly skilled human can engage Baleman for an extended fight, and even get the upper hand, what does that say about the difference in their ultimate combat effectiveness?


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Thaaaat...Batman can't win so H1 is gonna lie?

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I noticed how he actually keeps dodging Ra's. Also blamed plot device when Joker hit Batman.
I'm not dodging it. It's irrelevant. I never claimed Batman won't get hit here. And Ra is definitely more skilled than WS or those agents in pure h2h.


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Which is why he keeps dodging it. If highly skilled humans only manage to hold out against either Cap or Bucky for a few seconds, before losing, but a highly skilled human can engage Baleman for an extended fight, and even get the upper hand, what does that say about the difference in their ultimate combat effectiveness?
All of them didn't lose though. It was inconclusive.
And Batman is far more skilled than they, plus he has armor.


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I'm not dodging it. It's irrelevant. I never claimed Batman won't get hit here. And Ra is definitely more skilled than WS or those agents in pure h2h.



I challenge you to a BZ, Ra's vs elite agents in hth skill. do you accept?


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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I challenge you to a BZ, Ra's vs elite agents in hth skill. do you accept?
This will not work since my basis is not solely on visual but the ability to level multiple thugs simultaneously or beat someone who can.


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