last time I watched arrow, ollie only had a few trick arrows and absolutely no form of armor. Meanwhile, Matt actually has armor and that "stick" of his makes up a grappling hook, escrima stick, and combines with another to make nunchukas iirc. Not only that, Matt can and has dodged, deflected, and iirc caught arrows. The thing that makes this more lopsided is that he can hear, smell, taste, and feel what type of arrow it is, so Ollie loses that suprise.
you mean the very same ra's that handed him his own ass and the very same deathstroke that handed him his own ass? It's funny that Ollie winning his fights through the use of skill, a fairly large amount of teammates to back him up, and a massive amount of prep is more impressive than daredevil beating his opponents (temigun, kingpin, the punisher) through the use of skill alone.
yeah Arrow is on its 6th season with 23 episodes a season. DD had only 2 seasons with 13 episodes a season. So Arrow has many more feats, if you take into the cross overs and such, Arrow has fought a good amount of metas and others with powers. DD only has only fought Nobu who would fall into that category. Personally I wish Netflix did all super hero shows as the CW includes too much high school type drama/love triangles and plot driven fighting scenes.
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unarmed dd would take him but it would be close. ollie is pretty sharp though (no pun intended...) and would likely be able to take matt out. has he used a sonic arrow yet? i'm thinking ollie would deduce that matt was blind and find a way to take advantage by f'ing with matt's senses somehow. no one is sweeping this, but i'd give ollie a slight majority in general.
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What are you talking about? He beat most of the guys I listed in one on one duels. Minus Slade where he needed a distraction from felicity. Hell, he purposely ostracized his team just to take down rhas he never needed help.
You just made a point about Matt beating tougher opponents. That was why I bought up people who initially beat Oliver before he came back and owned them . Nobody Matt has fought is own the people I listed league. Matt gets creamed.
Tbh, despite the comparative brutality of Matt's fight, Ollie sh*ts all over him in overall feats. Someone mentioned earlier the quality of the competition and I'd have to agree. Ranged, H2H, etc. shouldn't matter.
He's also gone up against - and beaten - metahumans. I know everyone in Marvel to some extent is beyond human, but it's much more explicit to this point in the CW-verse. He's got a BIG head start in terms of episode count, though. So really, we're not comparing apples to apples. Arrow's first 20 episodes or so are very different than the totality of the show.
It's a close fight though, of course. And as with many close threads, the comments I disagree with most are those that think it's a stomp one way or another.
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I'm not sure I would agree. How would Ollie deduce that Matt is blind? Why would he even think that? That's the whole point of DD - his other senses are so sharp that no one would ever suspect he is blind.
I do agree that IF Ollie had a sonic arrow and IF he knew Matt relied on his ears he could disorient him - but those are two pretty big ifs.
I'm putting my money on Matt. He's been trained since he was a boy by one of the greatest martial artists in the Marvel universe, while Ollie spent his time being a spoilt little rich boy. Matt is known for his ability to dodge bullets and arrows, and Ollie does not have an inexhaustible arsenal.
Although it should be a good fight, I would give Matt the majority. At night, I'd say it's pretty close to a sure win for him.
Watch their second fight again. Matt was getting thrown across the room by Nobu's punches and kicks. It wouldn't be necessary to show those effects if he wasn't atleast peak human(Cap's weight class)
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Agreed. With your reasoning and choice. Anyone who calls this a stomp needs his head examined.
Ollie wins, with ease.
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DD. like everyone said IMO DD has had more and better training and better damage soak and IMO a better fighter. I do not think that Arrow could keep up with DD. A lot of fights Arrow doesn't just shoot people he almost always gets into a H2H with someone (kinda lame but he just about ALWAYS H2H in show). I think that DD would win the H2H and there wouldnt be the later chance.
Everyone didn't state that, I certainly do not agree with those statements. Ollie clearly had more training and a better variety as shown by the following:
He was trained on the island by Yao, Shado, and Deathstroke. In Hong Kong he was trained by Maseo Yamashiro, Katana's husband while working for Amanda Waller. In Nanda Parbat he received training from the League of Assassins and Ra's Al Ghul. In Russia he received even more training from the Bratva and later Talia Al Ghul.
Arrow simply has more feats here against more enhanced competition. Ollie has taken hits and still won against soldiers on Mirakuru, in which multiple bullets shots were needed to even slow them down. Including defeating Arsenal when he was on that stuff and Deathstroke. Also beat legit superhumans like Brick who tanked headshots at close range.
DD and Elektra at times had to struggle against Hand ninjas and had to be saved by Stick. Also one young looking ninja was able to shoot DD with an arrow and fight him evenly for a while, even after Elektra tried to assist DD. And Punisher was absolutely a match for DD in h2h, as they had a couple of stalemates. So I really don't get that argument that Arrow couldn't keep up, when he has performed better against better.
That's contradicts your own point of view. So if most of Arrow's fights go h2h, that means he has much more experience and increased skill in h2h against DD who also fight mostly h2h. Therefore, DD doesn't have an advantage in feats in h2h combat.
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