We are talking about forces that were potent enough to literally atomize powerful Force-users. I don't recall Palpatine having powers that can literally atomize above-average Force-users with a single hit, not even close. Vaylin has the upperhand.
We compare characters where a common ground can be found. You don't expect BioWare to demonstrate Vaylin doing every shit out there.
Those are chunks of a skyscrapper sized structure and each would have weighed hundreds of tons. Vaylin not only held those in place but chugged them like missiles towards the target building.
Galen Marek doesn't have a showing like that. Anyways, point is that Vaylin could replicate the showing you originally mentioned and easily.
Mara Jade Skywalker level showing.
Nah
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Atomizing Force users is sub-Vader-tier and tanking hyperdrive explosions is TPM Maul-tier. Is it really being suggested Vaylin can hang with Palpatine with those showings?
Kajin Savaros comes to mind, where he completely disintegrated another Force User to the point that he didn't exist anymore, not even his Force signature.
Kajin Savaros packed immense raw power and was capable of feats that a Jedi Knight Jax Pavan thought impossible; he atomized an inquisitor Mas Sirrah in a fit of rage during a battle. Darth Vader also remarked that Savaror's powers were incalculable. However, Savaros was mentally unstable and his proper training was out of question.
Even this example doesn't suggests parity with the Forces that Vaylin endured.
The hyperdrive explosion was potent to the extent that it would have vaporized Senya if Vaylin was not there to shield her. Senya >>> Inquisitor Mas Sirrah
Additionally, a single stray bolt of BRAIN machine vaporized a Nathema Zealot - officially one of the most powerful servants of Vitiate. In contrast, Vaylin endured forces of BRAIN machine for a substantial amount of time and wrecked it in return.
Keep in mind that BRAIN machine was designed to torture/break/kill most powerful opponents/captives of Vitiate. None of them survived exposure to it. Vaylin was the only success story.
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Being that Sidious >> Vader > (if not >> ) Kajin Savaros i.e. ashing powerful Force users with telekinesis should be childs play for Sheev, to say nothing of his Force lightning.
And as far as the hyperdrive feat is concerned, Maul tanked an explosion that vaporised Anoon Boondara, and almost killed a Jedi Padawan several meters away, yet his Master's lightning would tear him to shreds.
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He obliterated a larger object that the chunks of a building Vaylin tore away. And its integrity being rather irrelevant when he vaporised it, not tore it apart. It's far and away a better feat.
Because she lured him into a trap from which he couldn't evade, not brought it down so fast he simply couldn't react.
Not that Caedus is in Tenebrous' league regardless.
With every argument you attempt to make I'm more convinced.
Kajin Savaros cannot be ranked, I'm afraid. He is a wild Force-sensitive, gifted with stupendous raw power. Darth Vader felt that his powers were incalculable but Savaros was found to be too volatile and dangerous for formal training. So there's that. His story ended at that.
If atomizing Force-users is child's play for Sheev, I wonder why he didn't atomize Luke Skywalker and others.
These matters aren't so black and white, Beniboybling. It is possible that Savaros unleashed power of such magnitude in a fit of rage that even Darth Vader could not manage with years of training. These matters will remain ambiguous.
Force lightning doesn't atomizes a living being, it causes excruciating pain and severe burns; it may reduce a living being into skeletal remains or a pile of ash at maximum, at its most intense form. Nonetheless, it doesn't packs the kinetic force equivalent to that of a hyperdrive explosion or BRAIN machine. The latter two will literally atomize a living being in an instant, even a powerful Force-user like Senya in an instant. Just because Vaylin handled such forces, doesn't implies every notable Force-user would.
And which explosion is that?
I recall Darth Maul enduring an explosion of a speeder but he suffered extensive injuries from it. And tanking this kind of explosion is not a significant development.
We are talking about hyperdrive explosion here, not lesser forms of explosions.
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Starkiller atomized Stormtroopers with a burst of Lightning and Vader did so with simple gesture. Palpatine being unable to do so is laughable, especially when his lightning can reach intensities greater than a lightsaber blade.
Starkiller did not atomize stormtroopers with Force lightning. This is a fanon myth floating around.
A dozen open-helmeted men and women in brown combat uniforms-Kota's insurgents, the apprentice presumed-came down the hangar's primary access corridor, sealing the blast door behind them. Baring his teeth, he ran to meet them, eager to take the offensive. Their rifles were no match for the power of the Force. A single, powerful push scattered them like dolls. One he blasted with lightning. A second he choked until all consciousness fled. A third he swept up and pounded against the nearest bulk-head. The rest he dismembered with graceful aggression, ignoring their cries of fear and pain.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed: Novelization
And when did Darth Vader atomize a Stormtrooper? Even if he did that, atomizing a powerful Force-user is something else in comparison.
1. Integrity is everything, dude. He did not atomize it, he blew it apart into a billion pieces.
2. It is premature to boast that the segment of the Starship that Starkiller blew apart, was larger than the structure that Vaylin tore apart in the absence of a visual comparison. That segment was relatively much smaller. And integrity of the structure that Vaylin tore apart wasn't compromised.
3. Starkiller's showing is for from being a standout. Blowing a significantly compromised Starship structure apart is not the same as doing that to a healthy Starship structure.
Vaylin would replicate Starkiller's showings with relative ease.
Let us examine the feat in question:
While Tenebrous was preoccupied holding aloft the slabs that threatened to crush the ship, Plagueis quickly reoriented himself, aiming his raised hands at the plummeting slabs above his Master and, with a downward motion of both arms, brought them down so quickly and with so much momentum that Tenebrous was buried almost before he understood what had hit him.
Taken from Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
Darth Plagueis took advantage of the circumstances that Darth Tenebrous found himself in at that moment, struggling to prevent those slabs from crushing the Starship and himself beneath. Darth Plagueis was lucky in the sense that he was not in the danger zone and he had the luxury to sabotage Darth Tenebrous's effort.
The novel offers an explanation of Darth Tenebrous's failure:
His success in bringing the ceiling down on Tenebrous was proof enough that the Bith had grown sluggish and expendable. Otherwise, he would have divined the true source of the danger he had sensed, and Plagueis would be the one pressed to the floor of the grotto, head cracked open like an egg and chest cavity pierced by the pointed end of a fallen stalactite.
Taken from Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
Darth Tenebrous was past his prime. Outcome would have been different otherwise.
Your point is entirely devoid of the details attached to this development on the whole.
Wrong I'm afraid, to two witnesses of the feat, Vader is described as the most powerful Force user they'd ever known:
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They looked vaporised to me.
Boondara burst its power cell core with his lightsaber yeah, probably generating an even deadlier explosion than the one Vaylin tanked given it was generated only by a ruptured container of pressurised coolant. And it vaporised Boondara in a microsecond.
And no, Maul did not suffer extensive injuries, he was only stunned, yet retained the ability to survive a one-hundred foot fall.
Tanking a explosion that is capable of atomising living beings is not a significant development? Funny. I seem to remember you saying the exact opposite. Clearly Maul is capable of no-selling Palpatine's lightning.
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