I can certainly agree to an extent. I didn't expect so many people to say that this fight was one-sided for either team. We all know that Obi Wan is the greatest practitioner of Soresu and Anakin is the chosen one and a master of Ataru, meanwhile, I paired them up against two of the greatest sith lords ever (both of which were leagues above the best that the Jedi had to offer at that time).
1. In the TOTJ era, any non-Sith Force user was generically considered a Jedi. This is because the series predates the PT by quite some time.
2. 'Great darkness' tends to be a good thing when one is a dark side Force user, in the same way 'great muscles' are a good thing to have when you bench press cars.
3. Actually, Nadd called Kun the pretender, IIRC, as he died from an amulet punch to the face. But my harddrive was formatted and I don't have all the scans like I did in the past. Nitpicking and red herrings aside, the assertion that Kun couldn't/didn't kill Aleema because reason X; therefore, he couldn't/won't kill other combatants is in a word, unsound.
4. What does dark side rippling whatever have to do with anything? Your point to which I responded was about Kun 'failing' to kill Aleema, a failing which isn't supported by the source material or a rational argument.
Kun saying he was going to 'kill them all' and then deciding after his flight over to whimsically knock her the **** out doesn't preclude his ability to do so. Especially given that the source material says, in clear and certain words, that it can amplify his rage tens of thousands of times.
So let's be utterly clear here: do you think that Aleema, someone who learned at the feet of rogue Jedi Nadd, was somehow so competent that she tanked his attack? Do you think that this unjustified assumption will somehow yield a weakness in Kun's abilities that PT era Jedi, who show much less esoteric knowledge than the Jedi or Sith of the TOTJ era, will figure out?
Do you think that the Force nexus on Yavin IV is so powerful that it can make Kun a god and yet if he goes to ****ing Onderon/Dxun lose twenty levels in Amulet Blast?
No, there's no way you think that, because it's entirely unreasonable. I mean, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
Obi-Wan is noted as the greatest practitioner of Soresu in the PT era, an era noted for continuous peace and relative lack of Sith/Jedi conflict. Obi-Wan's Soresu does jack shit to Dooku's Makashi, and even less to The Cestus Deception's Ventress.
Meanwhile, Exar Kun and Ulic are basically master swordsmen in practice and according to the narration. Ulic is so badass he can stalemate a pissed of Sylvar after being Forceless and in exile for years. Exar Kun, before his Sith knowledge/amulet bump could outfight just about anyone but Ulic.
And that's not even going into Force powers. A sufficiently powerful enough Dooku was able to choke Obi-Wan and chuck him out of the fight. Anakin, to his credit, gets really mad and does random, plot-induced awesome stuff. And then other times, he's just a pushover, because he's headstrong, lacking in wisdom and esoteric knowledge.
Without objective measurements of either, I'll just lay it out as best I can:
Saber mastery:
Exar Kun - master of single and double saber combat, and able to outfight the Jedi battlemaster Vodo. Note that this is in a time when Jedi still practiced to fight and kill dark siders and wore battle armor.
Ulic - master swordsman, able to outfight Mandalore with far less trouble than Obi had with Jango. Completely outclasses everyone but Exar Kun, who is at this point a titan.
Obi-Wan - master of the turtle defensive method, which people like Ventress and Dooku can pick apart with ease. Also, Yoda and Sidious. As of The Cestus Deception, Kit Fisto's Form I was considered on par with Obi-Wan's Soresu, but of course three years of fighting robots must have changed things greatly (sarcasm). The only individual I can recall Obi-Wan destroying with ease is muggle Grievous.
Anakin - master of the Djem So/swing batta batta method. Arguably more talented than Obi-Wan, but generally more stupid. Nowhere near the level of established mastery in his own era, whereas his two opponents were peerless. Took like three or four tries to finally defeat Dooku, and if the RotS script is to be believed anymore, Dooku was letting him win.
Force:
Exar Kun - Clear winner here. Able to dominate ancient Jedi masters with relative ease. Able to make a puppet of the chancellor and freeze the entire galactic senate for his own amusement. Amulet greatly amplifies his power and makes him a force of nature. Able to tank a Force sever from the guy who made it, unlike even Ulic.
Ulic - talented with the Force, but largely more of a duelist. In that regard, he is better balanced against Anakin and Obi-Wan. With his amulet, he could also loose lesser bolts of energy, but given his personality, he's just as likely to start swinging.
Obi-Wan - In terms of finesse and precision, Obi-Wan is a talented Force user. In terms of raw power and destructive capability, he's somewhat mediocre. Definitely not going to be throwing buses at Ulic or Kun. Noted for being taken apart by strong dark side Force users such as Dooku and generally not noted for his mastery in combative Force use.
Anakin - Can get angry when a woman dies who reminds him of his mother and tear down a ceiling (Jedi Trial). Other basic stuff. Great potential but largely untapped. Anakin has no real control to speak of and most of his highest showings are because of plot-induced rage. Even with said rage, unable to TK Obi-Wan conclusively, and relies largely on his saber to do the talking for him. Midi-chlorians work real well for plot-induced badassery (Hestizo Trace, that beautiful thing) but in a hypothetical fight with neutral settings, account for shit.
I don't think you realize how bad it is here Stealth... Idiotic posts are so common now they're ignored in favor of posts that challenge the position of a person's favorite character.
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>"Aleema tanked Kun's Force Blast!"
>Ignores the fact Kun was spirit Nadd tier before he immediately gains more power, before he even leaves Yavin IV.
>Nadd's spirit makes Keto look pathetic in every possible way.
Top tier idiocy.
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KMC was full of bias well before SWVF existed. And movie > EU bias has existed nearly as long. Long before stuff like TCW or even ROTS, people would argue out of their ass against reason just because movies > EU.
You mean the canon "blurb"? Yes, I do believe it's going to override one or two implications made by authors who's opinions and interpretations of events are not canonical.
Jun 23rd, 2017 03:32 PM
