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ROTS Obi Wan & Anakin vs Exar Kun & Ulic Qel-Droma
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ChocolateMuesli
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so does bane

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Bane's feats contradicts those quotes given he wasn't able to continue draining cultists in DoE despite his "inferiors" like Nihilus and Vitiate being able to do it on a planetary level.


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( Sorry DMB )


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Quotes stating he's above Vitiate do it for me, personally.


Such as? There are two quotes from the TOR encyclopedia that say Vitiate was the most powerful up to his time.

And given the Jedi duo>Valkorion in an all-out fight, that is not enough.


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To clarify, quotes stating Kun > Post Nathema Vitiate.

I don't agree with your assessment that the Jedi duo > Valkorion. I think Obi Wan is less then a fly to him and Anakin is solidly below Vitiate.


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To clarify, quotes stating Kun > Post Nathema Vitiate.

I don't agree with your assessment that the Jedi duo > Valkorion. I think Obi Wan is less then a fly to him and Anakin is solidly below Vitiate.


Could you please post the quotes?

And Obi-Wan isn't fodder when Anakin is around. If Valk devotes too much attention to Obi-Wan, Anakin could close the gap. He's gonna have to divide his power between the two, and there, the Jedi team wins in a great fight.


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"Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he ( Exar Kun ) was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire." - The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia.


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And Obi-Wan isn't fodder when Anakin is around. If Valk devotes too much attention to Obi-Wan, Anakin could close the gap. He's gonna have to divide his power between the two, and there, the Jedi team wins in a great fight.


I'm not sure if Anakin is a big enough threat to split Valkorion's attention like that. Especially given the latter is prone to powerful AoE attacks.


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Anakin's superior to valk yea given he wields yoda/sids raw power(not the same as potential) and is a yoda/sidious level duelist.

That being said,Valk has hax that can allow him to take rounds(telepathy), though the possibility of said hax backfiring ensures Anakin's majority imo

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Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Bane's feats contradicts those quotes given he wasn't able to continue draining cultists in DoE despite his "inferiors" like Nihilus and Vitiate being able to do it on a planetary level.

pretty sure the reason the quote was dismissed was an authoritative figure said it only applied to canon

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Bane's feats contradicts those quotes given he wasn't able to continue draining cultists in DoE despite his "inferiors" like Nihilus and Vitiate being able to do it on a planetary level.

bane might just be very skilled with force drain, doesn't mean he can't be more powerful. bane's quote stands until evidence stating its invalidity is provided

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"Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he ( Exar Kun ) was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire." - The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia.


I see. However, we have two quotes stating the opposite.

"The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen."

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Codex Entry "The Emperor's Fallen Jedi Knight

"The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld."

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia


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I'm not sure if Anakin is a big enough threat to split Valkorion's attention like that. Especially given the latter is prone to powerful AoE attacks.


Given how thoroughly Anakin wrecked Dooku, a Maul+ combatant that surpassed every Jedi bar Anakin, Mace and Yoda in skill, yes, he is a big enough threat to divide Valk's attention. Not beat him on his own, but force him to divide his power.


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if valk doesn't take Anakin down with an estoric ability, he gets rekt. Aside from being less powerful, he also is physically outclassed and is a literal non factor martially.

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I see. However, we have two quotes stating the opposite.

"The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen."

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Codex Entry "The Emperor's Fallen Jedi Knight

"The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld."

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia


They don't give us a time frame for the character in question. That's like quotes stating that Palpatine is the most powerful Darksider ever. We know he did become that at some point, but he certainly wasn't during his apprenticeship to Plagueis. Similarly, while Vitiate may have become the most powerful Force user at some point during his life span, he wasn't at the time Kun is stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord meaning Kun is at a bare minimum above post Nathema Vitiate in power. That's how I view it anyways.


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Given how thoroughly Anakin wrecked Dooku, a Maul+ combatant that surpassed every Jedi bar Anakin, Mace and Yoda in skill, yes, he is a big enough threat to divide Valk's attention. Not beat him on his own, but force him to divide his power.


Maybe he is. But as I said, Valkorion would certainly be capable of unleashing an AoE attack that, while I could but Anakin being able to defend against, I don't Kenobi being able to.


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This is still being debated? Obi-Wan is the weak link and Exar is too powerful for either of the two


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This is still being debated?

clearly not, you bumped it 4 days without a debate lul

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Anakin and Obi-Wan. Anakin bodies Exar and then joins Kenobi in defeating Ulic

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Is all of ComicVine migrating on here? All we need is that WollfMyth209 ccunt to join us and we'll have the complete set of retards.


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