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Dark Empire: Luke vs. Palpatine
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Rockydonovang
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So both of them are sub Maul. thumb up

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who's sub vader, kenobi, and ahsoka yes

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Who are all sub-Malgus in-canon. smile


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also luke recognizes that de palps can't control the amount of power he's unleashing


Yes he can. That's just Luke blabbing nonsense.

"It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was not only able to control these storms, but to create them."

Handbook Volume 3: Dark Empire


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who's sub ahsoka yes


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It does. Vima-Da-Booda says she was using Battle Meditation to aid her brother in defeating the Emperor. I imagine that's what it is referring to, given what they do afterwards is a Force Bond/Harmony thing.


So like I claimed, it does not as no time frame is given. Considering she uses BM immediately after Vima mentions it to knock Palpatine on his ass, I'm not inclined to agree. The comics use of BM is far more flexible then usual.

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Yes he can. That's just Luke blabbing nonsense.

"It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was not only able to control these storms, but to create them."

Handbook Volume 3: Dark Empire

which doesn't mean he was in control of that specific storm

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Who are all sub-Malgus in-canon. smile
malgus doesn't exist in canon tho, he auto loses by virtue of not existing

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which doesn't mean he was in control of that specific storm


He was. Luke and Leia simply turned the storm against him. Palpatine can canonically control his Force Storms. What Luke says is irrelevant.


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I mean, he'd jus got his arm cut off, was coming off as desperate, he doesn't have to not be able to control storms to not be in control of that specific storm as there are reasons for him to be out of control there

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Do you have anything to support your statement that he wasn't in control of his Storm other than baseless speculation? The rule is that Palpatine can control his storms, and there's no reason to believe that Storm was an exception to the rule, especially when it did exactly what Palpatine wanted it to.


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Sidious lost control of the storm because Luke and Leia affected his connection with the force.

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Do you have anything to support your statement that he wasn't in control of his Storm other than baseless speculation? The rule is that Palpatine can control his storms, and there's no reason to believe that Storm was an exception to the rule, especially when it did exactly what Palpatine wanted it to.

well, there's luke saying he wasn't able to control this one, and then there's this being his last resort rather than something he's doing right off the bat

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Do you have anything to support your statement that he wasn't in control of his Storm other than baseless speculation? The rule is that Palpatine can control his storms, and there's no reason to believe that Storm was an exception to the rule, especially when it did exactly what Palpatine wanted it to.


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well, there's luke saying he wasn't able to control this one, and then there's this being his last resort rather than something he's doing right off the bat


Luke's statement was based off of a scripture Palpatine wrote prior to Return of the Jedi, where he states he can't control Storms at all, so in other words, Luke's information is outdated, as is rather apparent from the fact that Palpatine himself states he can control them, an objective statement says he can control them, and the Storm in question did exactly what Palpatine wanted it to do (until his connection to it was severed).

Palpatine had plenty of Force abilities he could've used to annihilate Luke and Leia before unleashing a Storm, yet didn't, so it's far from being a "last resort". What even is this argument?


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So like I claimed, it does not as no time frame is given. Considering she uses BM immediately after Vima mentions it to knock Palpatine on his ass, I'm not inclined to agree. The comics use of BM is far more flexible then usual.


There's no other time she could've used Battle Meditation. What they did after the fight is confirmed to be Force Harmony. She could've only used Battle Meditation during the fight.


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Luke's statement was based off of a scripture Palpatine wrote prior to Return of the Jedi, where he states he can't control Storms at all, so in other words, Luke's information is outdated, as is rather apparent from the fact that Palpatine himself states he can control them, an objective statement says he can control them, and the Storm in question did exactly what Palpatine wanted it to do (until his connection to it was severed).

Palpatine had plenty of Force abilities he could've used to annihilate Luke and Leia before unleashing a Storm, yet didn't, so it's far from being a "last resort". What even is this argument?

I never disputed that he could control force storms in general, but the way the audionovel sets it up makes me think that specific force storm was more of a, I'll take everyone down with me thing, mainly because he knew he could survive his body getting rekt

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