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HOLY SHIT YOU WATCH PETERSON'S BIBLICAL LECTURE SERIES TOO?!
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Anyways this is my view on Genesis as an Allegory:
Created in God’s image: Assuming you believe in God, the sense that humans are made in God’s image is true, given that we are more knowledgeable, more powerful, have a greater capacity for choice and purpose due to an understanding of morality, and have the greatest capacity for love and altruism of any species. All of these attributes are empirically displayed and have culminated in humans having dominion over every other species we’ve encountered, which is well reflected in the account of Genesis.
Original Sin: The notion of original sin as an action taken by our earliest ancestors that we are all subsequently guilty of and accountable for is a teaching among many Christian denominations that I vehemently oppose, because it’s the same idea of collective guilt that leads so many of us to be disgusted and off put from the views of the SJWs. Likewise, there isn’t anything immoral about seeking knowledge. The concept of the Original Sin is in my view more of an allegory for how there is a pervasive capacity for sin amongst mankind. There are two important aspects to the original sin, one of which is that said act in the Bible bestowed upon humans an understanding of morality. The second aspect is in the nature of the fact that Eve was tempted by the prospect of becoming like God, driven by a desire to put herself on the same level as God which justified God’s direct command to her, a God-complex very accurately displaying the nature of pride, which is known as the father of all sin for a good reason. Arrogance is both what tempts us towards evil, and what allows us to justify acting out that motivation against morality, and I couldn’t think of a better allegorical way of showing that than to have a person sin in a way that God literally told them not to do with the intention of putting themselves on God’s level. So when the original sin is viewed as an allegory for why we have the capacity for sin, it conveys a truth that you don’t even have to be religious to recognize. We have a capacity for evil because we possess a knowledge of morality (as is bestowed by the fruit in Genesis) that makes us accountable for our actions, and because there is the insidious nature of pride which allows us to be motivated towards evil (as was the motivation for eating the fruit in Genesis).
Garden of Eden: The notion of the Garden of Eden as a utopian paradise is a flawed metaphor when taken at face value. I view the idyllic nature of the Garden of Eden as being representative of both humans’ harmony with nature and human innocence, both of which ended with the acquisition of moral understanding, both of which are reflected by Adam and Eve being cast out of Eden. They were cast out of Eden no longer innocent, as humans were no longer innocent upon attaining moral understanding since that means we could be held accountable for their actions, and in a sense separate from nature as one of the first things they set out to do upon being banished from Eden was start agriculture and build human civilization. In a historical sense, I’d argue that the building of human civilizations and agriculture resulted from a level of conscious and complex cooperation only possible due to community values achieved through a higher moral understanding.
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
In order to self-regulate their behavior, they have to understand right from wrong. Commanding them to not do a particular thing is a meaningless directive if they do not know that disobeying that command is wrong, and at that point, they did not even have a concept of wrong.
It is the logical equivalent of leaving a two-year-old unsupervised in a room with a knife, telling him not to touch it, and then being upset with him when he cuts himself. He does not know right from wrong, so he has no conceptual basis to understand, let alone follow your command. Absent that framework, he had to experience a consequence to even understand what you were telling him.
Is it fair then to punish him and his descendents for all time for a transgression he did not even understand he was making, because you made a ****ing pronouncement?
They had more faculties than toddlers. They were capable of coherent speech and Eve even relayed to the serpent that they were not allowed to eat from that tree. Whether she knew why or not does not matter. What's clear from her stating she wasn't supposed to eat from the tree is that...she knew she wasn't supposed to.
Fair is a completely different matter altogether, and not the point of this thread. To answer your question though, no, it isn't fair. But considering the overblown actions God takes for his word not being heeded is the status quo in the book. One of the reasons I put no stock in the Bible to begin with.
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I view the old stories in Genesis through an allegorical lens, though there is something very significant about the burdens God puts upon the shoulders of Adam and Eve.
Firstly, the things that fall upon Adam and Eve run parallel to what happens to humanity at the emergence of us becoming self-conscious of morality and vulnerability. With the emergence of that self-consciousness begins a conscious realization of the danger of the world, and thus paired with articulate speech the beginnings of human civilization, and with the beginnings of human civilization human biology and the psychological differences between men and women means that society will start of patriarchal. Likewise with conscious awareness of vulnerability also comes the recognition of the risk involved with just looking for food on a day by day basis as opposed to doing something like agriculture to guarantee a more stable long term food supply. Likewise, scientifically the pain of human women in childbirth was indeed multiplied by our awakening, since with the disproportionate evolution of our brains, the human head became larger at a rate disproportionate to the growth of the human birth canal.
What I find really interesting though is that what God tells Adam and Eve they must do is often viewed as a punishment, and fair enough, but I think it's a necessary corollary to becoming conscious of good and evil and vulnerability. Once you are exposed to the tension between good and evil you are shouldered with the burden of having to deal with that, and what God tells Adam and Eve to do is the beginning of a process that will generate an impetus for social and moral standards. First there's the conscious adoption of responsibility inherent in Adam's manual labor for the sake of providing food and resources, and Eve's adoption of the responsibility of birthing and raising a child that she must eventually let go into the larger and more dangerous world as they become an adult. There's also the factor of division of labor within a household, which creates a cooperative strategy and therefore inculcates social and moral standards within the household to aid. Likewise, Adam being told to pursue agriculture leads to an abundance of food and other resources among humans, which inculcates trade and economics, which by their nature involve cooperation and civilization and thus there an impetus for the development of social and moral standards is also inculcated. Lastly Eve's desire for her husband, men being dominant at the beginning of human civilization, and Eve needing to protect her child means that a woman is going to be driven to select for a man that they can more comfortably live under and that they can trust to protect and provide her and her child, which generates a certain value hierarchy of standards men are held to in the mating pool, which in and of itself creates an impetus for men in particular to hold themselves to social and moral standards in order to be desirable partners.
(Just as a sidenote, I also find it interesting that the first murder in the Bible committed by Cain was written thousands of years ago, and the same motivations behind the first murder in the Bible wound up being the motivations of an ideology in the 20th century that has racked up a more impressive kill count than any other ideology)
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
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I will say this: Old Testament God is a GREAT super villain.
Doctor Doom is all...dayum!
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God didnt make a mistake in punishing either eve or adam. why? after God Said Adam Shouldnt Eat From The Tree, HE GAVE CONSEQUENCES!!! . Ill Quote Now: "for In The Day You Eat From It You Will Certainly Die".
Eve Also Knew Of The Consequences. How Do We Know That Even Though The Bible Dosent Say How Or When Adam Told Her ? When The Serpent Came Eve Said "but God Has Said About The Fruit Of The Garden: 'you Must Not Eat From It; Otherwise You Will Die'".
So We Know That They Were FULLY Aware Of The Consequences, Namely That They'll Perish. There Is Therefore no Excuse For Their Sin.
The serpent told Even if she ate the fruit, she would have knowledge of the difference between good and evil like god. God told Adam and Even if they ate the fruit, they would die. The serpent told the truth, and god lied.
Kinda sounds like a God's piece of shit who kicks his children out of the only home they've ever known just because the snake that he also created squealed on God for telling a lie to his kids. Imagine if every parent booted their barely born children out into the desert just because they ate a cookie before dinnertime cuz they hallucinated that the dog told them it was a great idea.
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