KMC Forums - Who should be allowed to vote?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
laugh: Restricting voting rights are what dictators do. Protecting and expanding voting rights is the opposite of the kind of act that would make me worthy of being a "supreme leader."

You dodged my point entirely, Pol Pot. You equated education with corruption. Don't dodge because you don't like it that you're bedfellow is Pol Pot.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Indeed, so now explain to me why only representing the needs of the educated would make our populace more educated?

So only the educated can be informed voters, eh? So now you think only the educated can be informed voters, eh? My position: the educated can be woefully ignorant voters, too.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
If the government wants an educated populace, then educate the populace.

This is your red herring point, not mine. I want an informed electorate. You think education = corruption. Not sure how much of an idiot one has to be to argue against my position with your point....

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Fact: This is a non-sequitir

Sure, if you're an idiot, it would seem like that. Just take a wild guess why I would bring up corruption in the US as it relates to exactly what I quoted and responded to...go ahead...you may be intelligent enough to figure out why it is not non-sequitur.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Which is why I argued that it should represent the people, not that it does.

Great, so are you also willing to admit that you equating education with corruption was also a very stupid thing to do?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Actually, I've argued the opposite saying we do need to change it by expanding the right of voting,

Expand to whom? Criminals, minorities, and illegal immigrants?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
getting rid of lobies,

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
getting rid of superpacs,

But how?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
getting rid of partisan gerrymandering,

How about just getting rid of gerrymandering?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
and making sure that in national elections, all people are given equal representation.

What does this even mean? Explain what you mean.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
That's what any true liberal would advocate for.

Oh no, not the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

It is clearly not what "any true liberal" would advocate.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Advocating for oligarchy is taking away freedoms from the many and giving it to the few.

"a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes "

And when did I advocate for an oligarchy? Keep in mind, I wasn't the one who thinks education = corruption.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It would seem you are the conservative here.

How so? What exactly am I advocating we conserve in the current political system as it pertains to this particular topic?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Naturally you don't respond to what I say, so you draw up a strawman arguing the exact opposite of what I've advocated for.

You're just upset because I clearly pointed out how your position is quite tacitly a conservative one. You've since just parroted things that myself and others have said over the years, after I pointed out how you're acting like a conservative.

What's the matter, you feel insulted by being labeled a conservative so you have to over-compensate?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Right, now explain to my us having an oligarchy makes us having an oligarchy?

Explain to you why the US being an oligarchy means that the US is an oligarchy? That's because we are an oligarchy. Did you intend to present a tautology or did you make a typo? I make tons of mistakes in my posts so this is one thing I for which will not judge you negatively. Maybe ask the question again?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Whether we have an oligarchy or not was never disputed. What I've claimed and you need to argue is whether we should have an oligarchy.

But why? Why do I need to argue that? I don't want to. It seems weird that you want to give me points to argue... It was never my point. I wanted to point out that you're throwing a tantrum about the strawman you created regarding my post but clearly you were ignorant that the US is already an oligarchy.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
This time when you respond to me, address what I say, or leave me alone.

I will leave you alone. I refuse to respond to you. lol