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Hah! This is one of the best posts in recent memory. "Kill Socialism", says a man who survives entirely on a social welfare program. Without influence from socialism, your libertarian capitalist paradise would leave you dead in the street.
Except I don't survive entirely on it lol. Yes, socialism needs to go.
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What else do you survive on, if not social welfare? If all socialism-related programs and laws were removed from the US, the standard of living would plummet and the death toll would rise dramatically. And would the wealthy provide alternatives? No, make your own money, leech.
Social programs, appropriated from socialist government types, have improved American life, as they have improved all countries where they've been implemented. I mean, you just don't seem to understand what 'socialism' entails, other than "it bad and gotta go because fascism" or... something? I'm not really clear why you think it needs to go, especially when without it, you probably wouldn't have anywhere to live, unless you have rich parents.
I never said get rid of social programs lol. Sp is there a point to your rant?
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So, you want to scrub all of socialism from the face of the earth, but you want to keep the social programs? Which are like, a part of socialist theory and practice?
Also please, that was hardly a rant. A rant has to either be three full-size paragraphs or one big wall of text. That was neither.
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So when you said "Socialism just plain needs to be snuffed out of existence", what you meant was, "I disagree with many core tenets of socialism, in particular hard socialism, but its affect on western society has also brought many benefits, some of which I myself rely on and I am thankful for these", correct? Because you could have just... said that.
A pretty unavoidable truth, unfortunately. The corporatist relationship between business and state is ultimately symbiotic and sought by both parties. From a enterprise's very beginnings, the state guarantees the private property of the business, and has the monopoly on force to enforce those rights against those with competing claims. In return, the business provides tax revenues and help keep the people content through employment. As a business grows larger, they accrue more leverage, and can extract subsidies and aid from the government, which will generally be all too happy to provide it to them. This mutualistic relationship is why corporations will, when forced to choose between potentially no government and an authoritarian government, will pick the latter. This was seen in the Spanish Civil War, when the landed and business owners rallied around the fascist Franco, who although extremely authoritarian preserved the corporatist relationship and private property.
Now, anti-corruption measures to take corporate money out of the political sphere can alleviate this issue to a great extent, so we can still keep both capitalism and government. But a 'true capitalist' system in which none have unfair advantages and in which corporatism is finally quashed isn't feasible.
Last edited by lazybones on Jan 19th, 2018 at 07:47 PM
Well there are several pretty fundamental differences between corporations and states, e.g. one has a monopoly of force and the other doesn't, and one has a broad set of responsibilities over its jurisdiction whereas the other just has a general idea to make its shareholders profit in specialized areas.
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Not sure if Sweden's GDP correlation with the U.S. really matters. Ever since the high taxes and the giant welfare state, Sweden stagnated juxtaposed to their previous growth.
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And according to the World Factbook, Sweden has a lower GDP per capita than the states. In addition, they used to have the seventh highest and now they have dropped in 26.