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beatboks
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Originally posted by abhilegend
And Superman defeated the same Mon-El while suffocating.


Batman beat people vastly more powerful than him all the time.

Superman beats the likes Darkseid who is more powerful than him.

A win in a fight doesn't equal greater power, Superman has more experience and is better trained than mine Mon-el. I never said Supes wouldnt win in a fight.

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Except Eclupso had the experience of being in control of both bodies. Was Eclipso subconsciously suppressing the powers of a body he possessed? That doesnt make sense.


Supermans mind didnt dissapear, and full access to his powers require a "clear, active mind".

We didn't see the Post Crisis Superman begin to access his full potential until the end of DoS.

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Except Eclupso had the experience of being in control of both bodies. Was Eclipso subconsciously suppressing the powers of a body he possessed? That doesnt make sense.
Yeah, Eclupso ended that myth. Captain Marvel ended it to when he fused with superman, CM felt nothing else, but superman felt marvels power.


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Yeah, Eclupso ended that myth. Captain Marvel ended it to when he fused with superman, CM felt nothing else, but superman felt marvels power.


Because it was Superman body.

Superman doesn't feel the power his mind is suppressing. So neither would Eclipso.

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Supermans mind didnt dissapear, and full access to his powers require a "clear, active mind".

We didn't see the Post Crisis Superman begin to access his full potential until the end of DoS.
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Because it was Superman body.

Superman doesn't feel the power his mind is suppressing. So neither would Eclipso.


Lol.


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Lol.


I don't get the laughter.

Would Eclipso feel WHORINSON'S full potential if he possessed his body outside of Warrior Madness?


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Originally posted by beatboks
Batman beat people vastly more powerful than him all the time.

Superman beats the likes Darkseid who is more powerful than him.

A win in a fight doesn't equal greater power, Superman has more experience and is better trained than mine Mon-el. I never said Supes wouldnt win in a fight.

Wut? Superman straight up ruined Mon-El while being at a disadvantage (unable to breathe) to the point he needed medical attention.

It wasn't about training or experience, it was about who was stronger. The same happened to Cir Gand who was also stated to be more powerful than Superman. When Superman stopped messing around, he ruined his day straight up.


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Lol.
LMAO!!! PR.. can you ban me for 1 day? You know I cannot resist getting panther for owning and contradicting himself in the same thread?


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Wut? Superman straight up ruined Mon-El while being at a disadvantage (unable to breathe) to the point he needed medical attention.

It wasn't about training or experience, it was about who was stronger. The same happened to Cir Gand who was also stated to be more powerful than Superman. When Superman stopped messing around, he ruined his day straight up.



Sigh

Do we have to go thru this circular debate EVERY TIME this comes up??
You and I have debated this before both here and on ICT. Superman beat Mon-El in tje same story Eclipso possessed him. Beatimg Mon-El when his body is under the control of another who is even less experiemced with its power than him (which is really saying something), while Mon-El is struggling for control does not equal over powering. If I were body swapped into the strongest fastest guy alive I wont be able to use that as well as he could.

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Sigh

Do we have to go thru this circular debate EVERY TIME this comes up??
You and I have debated this before both here and on ICT. Superman beat Mon-El in tje same story Eclipso possessed him. Beatimg Mon-El when his body is under the control of another who is even less experiemced with its power than him (which is really saying something), while Mon-El is struggling for control does not equal over powering. If I were body swapped into the strongest fastest guy alive I wont be able to use that as well as he could.

Mon-El wasn't struggling for control. Eclipsed version of the characters were completely under Eclipso's control. Eclipsed Superman thrashed Captain Marvel, Lobo, Guy Gardner in succession.

There is nothing to indicate Eclipsed Mon-El was less effective when Eclipsed characters were shown more effective than regular characters (Eclipsed Lobo defeated entire LEGION), eclipsed Wonder Woman tanked a bullet designed to kill daxamites etc.


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Lol @ Panther. Superman himself admitted Daximites are more powerful. Also, Monel was possessed when Superman beat him which makes the showing invalid.


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Lol @ Panther. Superman himself admitted Daximites are more powerful. Also, Monel was possessed when Superman beat him which makes the showing invalid.


Uh-huh.

If we're assuming Eclipsed characters are weaker for some reason (Against the fact Lois was kicking Supermans rear), that makes Captain Marvel look pretty bad.


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Lol @ Panther. Superman himself admitted Daximites are more powerful. Also, Monel was possessed when Superman beat him which makes the showing invalid.


...Superman had no idea the degree to which he was suppressing his power at that point .

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So if statements are what matter, are we also saying older statements hold more weight than newer? 'Cuz by the 2000's we were seeing Daxamites referred to as "Junior Superman" and "Superman-lite."


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So if statements are what matter, are we also saying older statements hold more weight than newer? 'Cuz by the 2000's we were seeing Daxamites referred to as "Junior Superman" and "Superman-lite."


Superman got more relatively powerful from the early post Crisis era from the Kryptonie X upgrade, to post Electric to Mongul training.

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Superman got more relatively powerful from the early post Crisis era from the Kryptonie X upgrade, to post Electric to Mongul training.


I know that. But most people either don't understand it(since they haven't read the comics) or intentionally ignore it because it ****s their arguments.

But people are going by the 90's statement, so I thought I'd point out if they're making their arguments based solely on that, then Daxamites were being called Superman-lite by the 2000's.


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Lol @ Panther. Superman himself admitted Daximites are more powerful. Also, Monel was possessed when Superman beat him which makes the showing invalid.
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Still cheerleading goodball arguments you know full well are irrelevant, eh?

ok.

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Since Daxamites are more powerful then Kryptonians
You're still stuck in the 90s, cdtm.

Also, Cap loses.


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