Sidious didn't want a successor. ''Through study, I will soon learn how to defeat death. While I may choose apprentices, I will never choose a successor.''
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__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
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No. Sidious clearly says he intends to be the last successor of Bane as early as TPM. As for using Canon to argue Legends and vice versa, I see little in either that would suggest power is even remotely important to killing one's master outside of DoE. It's also something we shouldn't be doing anyway.
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Of course. There are clearly more ways to kill one's master than in direct combat or w/e -- Sidious himself employed the assassination tactic to kill Plagueis, for example. I was just saying that Vader knew he was inferior to Palpatine, so he would have never even attempted a direct confrontation -- regardless of how enraged he may have become.
...But this is all secondary to the other facts at hand:
a.) Palpatine trusted Vader implicitly. He likely never thought that Vader would betray him until he was literally hurling down the reactor shaft.
b.) *Per Legends, Palpatine never wanted a true successor in the first place.
*Canon, however, is more of a grey area regarding Palpatine's motives when he initially succeeded Palgueis... He may have wanted a successor initially, but by the final season of Rebels and the Tarkin novelization, it's clear that his primary goal was attaining the sort of universal godhood/supremacy that would make his rule permanent. No successors/replacements; only HIS rule. Forever.
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That isn't what those comic panels say nor, given how things work in Canon, is it something we should imply. It has little to do with "inferiority" a lot more to do with other factors. It's possible to draw that conclusion, but pretending it's some definite thing said by Vader is being disingenuous. Palatine wanted Vader to become mighty. Maybe even mighty enough to kill him given time. He at least thought Vader had more to him. Nothing in Canon contradicts this being a possible future, your statements to the contrary.
Of course Palpatine wanted a powerful apprentice -- that has never been brought into question. However, very little(almost nothing) in canon suggests that he ever intended post-Mustafar Vader to kill/replace him, nor is there much(if any) evidence to suggest that Vader ever planned on usurping Palpatine alone... Which are my main points here.
But if you have evidence to the contrary, please do feel free to post it... I'd be more than welcome to go more in-depth here if need be.
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I'm confused: we presumably agree that Sidious wanted Vader to replace him pre-Mustafar. After Mustafar, you're telling me that Palpatine changed his mind and decided that, if he could snap his fingers and change the outcome of that duel so that Vader retained his full potential, he wouldn't do it? So he regrets Vader's defeat but then decides it was actually a good thing all along?
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I think that maybe he expected Vader to surpass him at first, but after either realizing what being Emperor fully allowed him to do, or after realizing Vader would never be able to lead the Sith after his failure on Mustufar, decided "f*ck it" and no longer wanted to be supplanted.
He never wanted to be killed. Sith don't want to be replaced? Wtf is wrong with you?
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Considering that in Canon, Vader's probably above Anakin, there's really nothing to suggest some huge hamper on potential. The author's already commented on Palpatine's motives either way.
Palpatine doesn't want tos top Mustafar because it would be counter intuitive to teaching Vader that his loses do not matter. Anything about "lost" potential is all but fanon at this point.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
I think Palpatine intended Anakin to succeed him at first, ergo: "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"
But after his defeat on Mustafar, Palpatine realized that Vader would never be able to reach his full potential, so he began seeking-out other means to permanently retain power himself. *Enter his goal of remaking the universe in his own image, and lusting after TWBW*
...In canon, at least. In Legends there is evidence to suggest that Palpatine never wanted a successor, period.
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