From my estimates, Surtur was between 85m and 110m when Hulk struck him.. This is assuming Hulk is about 2.6m tall. Also it appears that Surtur doesn’t have the same density as a human. He appeared to be made of a lot of heat/flame stuff. So we can’t be sure to accurately estimate his mass based off unknown density.
Then we have real life humans able to punch another human to get the same effect. Only the striking human exerted significantly less force than the struck human’s weight.
But here’s the kicker. Hulk wasn’t able to budge Surtur with the next punches. That means Hulk’s downward (due to falling) momentum PLUS weight contributed majorly to the blow.
And if you think Superman can’t achieve the same feat then you are a fool.
Superman from the Movies vs Hulk from the movies would most likely go like the PC Supes vs Hulk crossover. Hulk wouldn't be able to hurt supes and supes could break his neck or ko him like the Hulkbuster did.
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Fqlse, if you watch that films that’s a hilariously biased and wishful thinking theory you’d like us to agree with. Nah, he’s been hurt by far less strength in WW who was threatened by World War One soldiers. Hulk brutalizes him.
So are you going to ignore Surtur's officially stted size, even though it's consistent with his size relative to Asgard?
Why don't you try scaling him to the palace that dwarfs mountains?
Surtur is quite solid, we know he is made of molten slag from other interviews and that he has muscles, so even if you want to say he's only 100 meters tall that would still dwarf Superman's presented feats.
Hulk himself had to jump multiple KM to get to Surtur and to jump to Sokovia and he's much heavier than Superman or Zod, hos you think them being punched a shorter distance while weighting less is more impressive is beyond me.
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Plus he flew up holding her, lifting her off the ground. Means she had zero leverage to resist being moved
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I said WHEN HULK PUNCHED HIM.
Now if Surtur grew more after that then I don't care.
I painstakingly calculated his height at the time of the punch. His head was the length of 4-5 Hulk heights. Hulk is about 2.6 meters. Go with that.
Being made of molten rock is speculation. It look more like flame and ash to me.
After the first punch, each additional punch did absolutely nothing to move him. So that could mean Hulk's downward momentum along with Hulk's weight did most of the work.
Mega Surtur was 800 meters tall when he first appeared, ergo before hulk punched him, the same quote I quoted states that 800 meters was his smallest size.
If you want to dismiss that you can't bring author intention or statements in other debates.
The vfx also state that he's made from magma, so you're also wrong on that.
Want to try to calculate how much a 100 meter giant made of molten rock would weight, even going by your scaling?
By the way you ignored how he compares to Asgard's structures, you can compare him to the palace since he first appears on Asgard.
You are basically stating that writer's intented for Surtur to be 800m when Hulk struck him? Prove it. Because
1. Surtur was about 100m as shown.
2. Surtur was still growing after Hulk hit him.
And you are unreasonable to assume character's, in fiction, exert nearly the same force everytime. There are so many examples where this isn't true that I will be counting for days. Here is one of them:
Hulk punching Surtur and making him bend vs. punching him, IMMEDIATELY AFTER, and not making him budge.
Hulk is about half a ton. It was his weight and falling momentum that supplied the majority of the force. Otherwise, you can't explain away why his latter punches did absolutely nothing (since your stance is that character's use nearly the same force everytime).
He has proven it, the company that provided the special effects for the movie have flat out stated that he was 800 meters tall at the beginning and grew to 4000 meters by the time he destroyed Asgard.
You're being your normal hypocritical self, IE over-analyzing a scene in order to lowball a character you're arguing against. However when it's a character you're for, you have gone on record as stating we should ignore what the movie shows and instead go with what you claim was the writer's intention.
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Superman would have flash frozen magma man with his freeze breath. And shattered him.
Superman beats Hulk.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
This is a complete oversimplification of what occurred in the Leviathan punch and you are missing a very important factor in your computations.
The deceleration wasn't a constant in that scenario. It wasn't a slow constant push, but a sudden deceleration (via a punch), spreading it over a constant within 10 seconds is factually wrong.
The sudden deceleration occured exactly 1:17-1:18 wheras the Leviathan was moving at 20 m/s (your numbers not mine) and suddenly slowed to (based on Hulk's starting distance and distance traveled from 1:18-1:28) around 1 m/s.
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