Thaddeus (the old Viltrumite who got his head ripped off by Thragg) explicitly stated that he made the plague to kill most of the Viltrumites. This is kind of why, you know, Thragg targeted him first and explicitly stated that by killing him he had avenged the former king. Also, Omni-man said that there were only about fiftycViltrumites left alive after the plague. Some of them died from being temporarily weakened by the plague, and others were straight up killed (we saw Omni-man kill at least four).
What matters is that you acknowledge that the corpses were the ring of the planet. (please log in to view the image)
Hell, in the scan in which you think that people died/got knocked out there are only four Viltrumites that hadn't been dead for several hundred years. Once again, Allen wasn't knocked out by the blast since we literally see him fully conscious in the one page later. And since no real amount of time passed and Mark also had his eyes closed during the blast, it's safe to assume that the guy that's stronger than Mark's dad is just fine. https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/26...75-025.jpg.html (please log in to view the image)
Even if some of the Viltrumites did die, it doesn't matter. Do you know why? (please log in to view the image)
Each of them have different level of strength/durability. That's not to say that they're weak though. Even some of the weakest actual no name Viltrumites have displayed 100+ ton strength. Oh also, you can see a half breed Viltrumite (Oliver) taking on Thragg. So no, half Viltrumites are not necessarily weaker than normal ones and btw, Mark himself is a half Viltrumite so.....yeah.
To reiterate, No one of note was knocked out or even killed by the planet exploding. Thragg stomped on Thaddeus, Oliver, Nolan, Mark, Battle Beast, and Allen. Mark at the time of his ass whooping was a little stronger than Conquest (who lifted 400 tons in addition to 6 miles of rock. Seriously, stop getting caught up on the 400 tons and look at the six miles of rock falling on his head and being casually pushed off). Thragg spent days fighting battle Beast with his intestines falling out and spent all of that time moving faster than the Space Racer's FTL tech.
Reading comprehension is key in these sort of debates and it seems like you didn't read/forgot/ignored the prerequisite information in order to make an informed opinion. So I would like to respectfully ask you to stop posting in this thread until the time comes when you understand what it is that you're talking about. If for no other reason than that your absence will help me avoid the rolling migraines that strike when you like about something without even knowing that you're lying about something.
Do you have any evidence that Thragg can lift 400 million tons?
Or that he can take a punch with a 400 million ton force without dying?
If yes, then post it.
That will make this discussion more debate worthy.
I seen MANY times characters holding their own against characters they have no business doing. Colossus vs Gladiator, Thing vs Namor, etc
Superman is the ultimate kryptonian physical specimen, like the kryptonian Captain America.
He flat out matched Zod, Ursa and Non simultaneously in combat, dominating Zod physically when he engaged him.
Non is like the Kryptonite equivalent to Kingpin, Urba is like the Kryptonian Elektra(female peak human, elite MA).
Non can match Superman at a 'standard' mindset ( subconsciously suppressing his power levels via mental state) like in Last Son, but in last ditch situations Superman can fluctuate his stats up to the point where he's overpowering Non and Ursa with single limbs each multiple times such as in War of New Krypton.
"Maybe because it’s been proven multiple times that Kal powers indeed are regulated base on the level of his mindset."
That's too simple: comics are more complex and contradictory than that. Many writers have described Superman's powers this way, but I don't think that means it's universal. The exact nature of Superman's 'dynamic' power has never been decisively explained in a way that makes the explanation a core part of his essential canon, like having flight or heat vision, etc.
Just because you refuse to read Superman comics after all these years in order to be informed about how consistent his powers are portrayed, doesn't mean others should downplay his 100% proven powers because you want to seem 'reasonable' to Superman haters.
Superman's dynamic powerset is about as consistent as it is for any character this side of Hulk.
Feats in respect thread that matter to comparing to Zod.
Strength:
Invincible is easily able to city size craters moon surface with his strength and ramming attacks.
Able to lift millions of tons and throw it into orbit with the far inferior kid Omniman.
Tech Jacket can throwthousands of tons from earth to the sun in short time frame. Invincible beats him up.
Omni Man match strength with Supreme, and Mark is superior to Omni Man post his amp via Atom Eve.
Durability Feats:
Mark has withstood blows from Solar Man fine, a character directly stated to be Superman level by the writer.
Omni Man withstood blows from Supreme who is also Superman tier.
Mark withstood attacks of ccity level in several feats of mine in the respect thred, and mountains will disentigrate will before he shows wounds.
Mark survive bashing through the multiple levels of the planet at light speed, with only the soli nickle core being a "possible" threat to his health.
Speed:
Mark is as fast as Zod by feats. No way to argue this otherwise. Mark has better travel speed than New 52 Zod by alot too. So there is that.
Weakness:
Only major weakness Mark has here is lack of heat vision for range attacks, and the fact sun temperature heat will destabilize his atomic structure with PROLONG exposure. So a heavy attack on Heat Vision would wound him for sure. Thats it.
So yes, by feats and establish characters Mark or his inferior father fought is proof he should compare to Zod. Could go either way for me.
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They stand up very well. Zod is weaker than Superman overall by feats and win loss streak. So is Supergirl, Power Girl. All Kryptonians. Not to mention the different feat scales of Silver Age Superman vs Post Crisis Superman vs New 52 Superman vs Rebirth Superman.
So yes, depends which versions and which Kryptonians you speak of. Superman > any other Kryptnonian including Zod and most versions of Superman/Supergirl/Powergirl/Supergirl arr different anyway from the last versions.
Unless your a DC fanboy, then yeah, my argument is indeed piss poor.
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Hal was also amped, with the Krona gauntlet made ring.
We saw how it super charged a dying Kyle.
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