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how did he counter being stunned then cancelled...? unless you simply say you don't think an EMP would work which would be...an odd pov to have because we saw clear proof an EMP can at LEAST stagger her so not sure how he countered. she would at least have taken hard light form, in which case we saw no counter for her getting hit by an attack that would end up with her at the sun. we also have no clue if she could even have countered my cancellation IF you believe she would have had the opportunity. she couldn't cancel the shield frequency, so why would we give her the benefit of the doubt that she could cancel an attack aimed at her soul? nor do i see how she could have actually escaped the EM field i could have trapped her in. /shrug
lol but, different strokes and that will be my last word on this topic--not that it was asked for.
What? Did you read all three posts from each user?
Baz’s entire argument was that
1. Monica can get inside Superman
2. Once inside, she would defeat him.
He also made some mention of another scenario about CA and weakness.
Baz never established how CA would help Monica beyond possibly find a weakness. He never mention why her form of attack would harm Superman, nor provided any back up of her early doing this. As Leo pointed out, the scan he provided showed that she was unable to use her CA effectively
More importantly, Baz never explained why his scenario would work on Superman. He showed a random robot exploding. Somehow, we have to assume that it works on Superman? That’s equivalent to me showing a scan of heat vision hurting a random robot to argue that it would hurt Odin.
Leo on the other hand actually went the limit to break down baz’s argument;
1. Why EMP would be effective
2. Why red sun and Kryptonian isn’t an instant loss
3. How Superman's heat vision would work on Monica
4. Why attacking her freq would be effective
5. Why getting inside Superman would work easily
The point of the BZ is for you to let go of what you know of thess characters. You shouldn’t be using our knowledge to completely derive the argument for the poster. It’s unfair for the other contestant.
While we can argue on how we fee about each argument, you can’t give credit to baz when he didn’t do much of what was in your post.
Nothing against Baz but he didn’t present a good argument. He kinda threw wet papers hoping it sticks. I actually was hyped about this BZ as I didn’t know too much about monica.
Yes leo dismantled internal attack and CA and weakness explotation (to a degree). I dont see red sun working but I dont buy krytonite not however the CA was called into question and there is the whole thing of different k not working (which wasnt oresented)
However Baz also showed it wasnt EMP. Something close but nit exactly so as all Supes was shown doing was EMP it doesnt necessarily translate. Also je showed it didnt do much. Stuned ues but not a win. Thats how I read it.
As i see it all we have is supes greater speed and reflex qhich qould mean no attack of Spectrum will hit and gives him more options. Its simply a very tight call IMHO.
I hope you don’t think I’m personally attacking you here
Baz is suppose to make a claim that Kryptonite would work effectively, not us. Leo mentioned that Kryptonite and Red sun light are not a automatic loses for Supermans. He made the claim with decent proof
The point of the BZ is to kinda judge who made the better argument.
I understand the point, and I'm not saying I would rule agaimst Leo due to Kryptonite. I agree that he undermined those and internal attack (i.e that he left Baz with no viable attack that would allow Baz to win the fight). IMO though there are better counters to K because there are a lot more scans of it affecting quick than not. Others habe tried to create Kryptonite who know it and habe created things that amp Kal-el.
I just see it as Baz doing the same. He showed Monica doesnt have a physical body to be "pushed back into that can be koed". That it wasnt an actual emp (and remember we were only shown Supes creating an emp not other effects). That it didnt do any major damage.
Based on the BZ as I read it Leo has the speed advamtage and can dodge all day and attack probably uncountered. He can certainly stun Monica, but this wouldnt present as a win. If I was judging I would give it to Leo as he had the edge in the end. All I'm saying is neither actually presented a non dismantled win scenario. The options for an outright win by either were denied.
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Jul 2nd, 2018 09:27 PM
unless you simply say you don't think an EMP would work which would be...an odd pov to have because we saw clear proof an EMP can at LEAST stagger her so not sure how he countered. she would at least have taken hard light form, in which case we saw no counter for her getting hit by an attack that would end up with her at the sun. we also have no clue if she could even have countered my cancellation IF you believe she would have had the opportunity. she couldn't cancel the shield frequency, so why would we give her the benefit of the doubt that she could cancel an attack aimed at her soul? nor do i see how she could have actually escaped the EM field i could have trapped her in. /shrug
