He's demonstrably not as per Lucas' own words, in spite of your terrible rationalisation. The tiering system is irrelevant to Legends debates such as these; "There's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it." – George Lucas
I'm fine to take that quote back if you want to retract the Gillard statements? I don't want either of their words' being factors here, but I'm debating to an audience that recognises their authority. We can get rid of it all or pretend it applies to Legends, your call.
The first overhand chop of Skywalker's blade slid off Dooku's instinctive guard. The second bent Dooku's wrist. The third flash of blue forced Dooku's scarlet blade so far to the inside that his own lightsaber scorched his shoulder, and Dooku was forced to give ground.
Anakin completely breaking Dooku's defenses in three strikes and inflicting damage on him is "almost three-shotting" in my book.
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One in-universe quote uses the word "arguably", while several OOU quotes don't.
But I didn't argue Anakin was as powerful or more powerful than Yoda - I just pointed out that Anakin is in his tier, which he absolutely is if there are some IU and OOU sources that claim he's as powerful, some that claim he's more powerful, and some that claim he isn't more powerful yet. That clearly demonstrates that, in sheer power, Anakin is in the same general conversation as Yoda (and given the tiering system, he's a match in sabers too). Exar Kun, however, by the lines of scaling we have is not in the same league as Yoda. Per sources he's substantially below SF Malak, who is substantially below Revan Reborn, who is below TPM Mace Windu.
In addition to what Ant said, note that Lucas was giving a presumably unscripted interview. He mentions Yoda and Mace, and then in the next sentence includes Anakin too, then notes Anakin got his limbs chopped off so incorporates that into said sentence. When people are giving interviews they can not mention 100% of information in one sentence but then include some of it in the next sentence, and trying to hyper-analyze the syntax of his words here is kind of silly.
What we do have, however, are the tiering systems that were dictated by George Lucas. Given that these were formalized with deliberation and not a product of analyzing his word choice in a single interview, I'd take that as more solid.
As Ant points out, it was primarily Anakin whose every blow was aging Dooku by a decade or whatever Stover's prose was saying:
I mean, come on, Anakin is clearly superior.
And he was growing stronger because he was letting go of his inhibitions. Anakin then proceeds to hand Dooku an absolute curbstomp where Tyranus can't do anything:
Note that this is the same Dooku who as a Jedi was in the league of TPM Mace Windu as a duelist, who was along with Yoda the most powerful Jedi in history per the fact files.
Stalemating Ulic doesn't compare to being in Yoda's tier per multiple sources.
Anakin ~ Yoda > Revan Reborn > KotOR Revan >>> SF Malak >>> Exar Kun
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I mean, you can make anything sound like anything if you isolate it from its entire context, namely:
-The duo were leading Dooku into a false sense of security
-Dooku was fooled by it and was taking it easy on them
-Dooku just prior to the quote you posted was reeling from a surprise assault from Skywalker and Kenobi
Lucas hasn't said that though, and if he has it's a blatant contradiction, in which case his words aren't very reliable. If this is about the tiering system; Nick Gillard's words about a vague set of 'levels' discussed with Lucas in a back office during production, is hardly enough to overwrite George's statement of Mace, Sidious & Yoda > Anakin.
Then this is going to be a debate about the tiering system.
the fact that you all are entertaining the posts of someone named "RealistRacism" is disgusting. Never knew Star Wars was full of nazis, but it shouldn't surprise me.
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