What do you think of it? We back an unelected, self declared ruler.
Strictly speaking, are we not inferfering in their right of self determination?
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The Venezuelan military is backing the elected president Maduro (at least right now), which means Trump's poking at a crate of old wet dynamite like the fool he is. There's going to be massive bloodshed in Venezuela because of this, imo.
Yes we are, and that’s one of the US greatest and continuous folly.
Some people may found this harsh, but we have no rights to force our ideals on other nations in the name of freedom. It is not up to the West, especially the US to intervene politicaly in other governments because we think it is humane. The only time we should interfere, is if the people ask it of us. But we should also make it clear we’re just here to help, we’re not here to sustain them for along period of time, nor fight their wars.
The US also needs to make it absolutely clear to our agencies, especially the CIA, interfering in other countries government is a crime. Nonif or buts. And depending on the severity of it, they can face life in prison.
If (when?) a civil war breaks out in Venezuela and masses of innocent Venezuelans who just want to live their lives get killed in the crossfire, comfort yourself with that "at least Trump beat Hillary", buddy.
My question is: how do people who claim Trump is Putins b*tch explain this? Russia has sided with Maduro in this case.
12D chess by Putin, maybe?
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So nobody can explain why someone controlled by Putin would not side with Maduro here? Okie dokie. If anyone figures it out just post it here.
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There we go again, ****ing with other countries' politics and government structure for own benefit, until it inevitably backfires and we're left dealing with the blowback with stupid looks on our faces of feigned innocence and shock.
Won't it be funny when we then turn around and cry about Russian interference some more? Lol.
Btw any opinion on why Putin's "puppet" is dealing with Venezuela the way he is?
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Short version: another guy declared himself the true leader of Venezuela and not Maduro and Trump is supporting him.
This has pissed off the Russians and they have specifically come out in favor of Maduro. So I'm struggling as to why Putin had his "puppet" do something that would piss Russia off so much? 1200D chess maybe.
Btw it's good you don't deal in conspiracies, cuz so far any explanation I've been given has been a conspiracy(not from anyone on this board). My favorite is that Trump is doing this in order to push Venezuela even more into the loving arms of Russia. Made me chuckle.
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Last edited by Surtur on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:11 AM
whilst I've bèn to South America, it's the major land mass outside of the poles I've travelled least and therefore have least affinity and knowledge of.
There’s no easy answer to the OP question; the US has a long and complex history w. Venezuela...
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...and while i personally agree w. SqualliX...
The US also needs to make it absolutely clear to our agencies, especially the CIA, interfering in other countries government is a crime. Nonif or buts. And depending on the severity of it, they can face life in prison.
...i also know there’s no way this will happen.
The CIA and its counterparts world wide have been playing this game too long to simply stop.
In their defense theyre only the latest players in this game. Shadow politics have driven the world since men were throwing rocks at one another and living in caves.
No, it won't be funny, but if Putin does have any influence over Trump, then it's either not as much as is being suggested, or Trump acted without considering how much it would piss him off. It may have been the call of high-ranking military/intelligence officers who convinced Trump to sign off on it.
Not sure what Trump's interest in Venezuela could be. I could speculate that he saw an opportunity to try his hand in the old game of imperialism and prop up a malleable new leader in exchange for natural resources, or that this is a reactionary unzipping of the raging hard-on conservatives have had about Venezuela for years now.
I have nothing to base it on other than a hunch, but I did find this article and found it interesting, as it suggests US military intervention in Venezuela has been on the horizon for months now:
It just seems to me that it's less Putin has any real influence over him and more just...sometimes Trump does shit that benefits Putin and sometimes he doesn't I'm not sure if he even considers Putin when he does these things. I think he stumbles into his successes and failures at times.
As for military intervention? I wouldn't be shocked. It's what Eisenhower called the Military Industrial Complex. We're always looking for a reason to make war one way or the other.
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Okay so Germany, France, Spain, and the UK have given Maduro 8 days(well 7 now) to set a date for a new election or they back his opponent.
Maduro is calling this a US coup.
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